[10NL] QQ...Nit opens and SB 3bets.

[Cobra_1878]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $41.67 (VPIP: 52.63, PFR: 36.84, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 76)
SB: $29.31 (VPIP: 26.11, PFR: 18.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, FT3B 88%, Hands: 181)
Hero (BB): $11.04
UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 21.33, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 76)
MP: $19.48 (VPIP: 25.48, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 215)
CO: $10.71 (VPIP: 11.22, PFR: 9.28, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 205)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, SB raises to $1.00, Hero ???

Not sure if this is standard or not so thought I would post.

During the hand I really wasn't sure what to do here. I don't think SB was 3betting light but he could have been exploiting nits high FT3B% so wasn't sure whether to 4bet here; although I feel that 4betting may have been slightly over-repping my hand and I want to keep his weaker hands in.

I don't think folding is never an option but I think I would need solid reads that SB only 3bets KK+ and some AKs.

So it would seem like flatting is the best option and then re-eval?

[abelardx]

To me QQ = AK which means calling 3bets esp against tight players. Of course it's the nuts against spazzes. So yeah I'd prefer to flat here.

Here's how I expect the hand to go. We flat and the flop comes down. If there's an A or K I'd c/f to any reasonable bet. If there's no A or K I'd donk and fold to a nit raise, expecting to take the pot down otf much of the time.

[MadMojoMonkey]

4-bet PRE. PP's lose a ton of value when they're not played HU to the flop. If Hero flats here, CO can call super wide to nut mine, or 4-bet IP and put Hero in a terrible spot.

If your plan is to flat pre, and b/f most flops, then you'll get the same value by 4-betting pre against those same hands (which fold w/o seeing the flop), maybe getting some calls from AK,AQ type hands PRE that also fold OTF (so increasing value from some hands). If you face a 5-bet PRE, then you will probably lose less in your 4-bet/f than your donk/f line.

[The Bean Counter]

4bet/fold $2.30 would be my standard here against these two villains. If we face a jam then we have an easy fold, since players that have a high f23b likely have a high f24b and I don't see any of these guys being mad enough to ship worse.

Even if CO is opening just 9% from that seat, it still includes a lot of meh hands that can't continue versus aggression and hence his high f23b. Sb is likely re-stealing a range heavily weighted towards random suited shite too and will likely only continue with about 10-15% of his 3betting range. This may even therefore be a profitable cold 4bet bluffing opportunity if we had a non-premium.

[abelardx]

I think 4b/f'ing AK or 4b/gii will not be profitable at the micros against non-spazzes but I'm not sure. Anyone have any evidence either way? Also you could probably never 4b/bluff and not hurt your win rate at all. Against light 3bettors I'd prefer to call ip and then float them. That has worked pretty well.

[The Bean Counter]

For me, if I see a player cold call a 3bet in any position (particularly in the blinds), I automatically assume he's a bad player that isn't planning a hand. If villain has sensible looking stats, they are capping themselves at QQ/AK almost exclusively in my experience too and it's dead easy to play against.

[BorisTheSpider]

I like a cold 4bet planning to fold to further action preflop for the reason MMM pointed out (don't encourage it to go multiway to the flop and give the CO like 3.5:1 to call).

I'd donk non Axx/Kxx flops if not particularly expecting to get cbet, otherwise c/c.

[abelardx]

I don't like 4b/f'ing. It's great in theory against disciplined tags but horrible against spazzes. And if effective stacks are 100 bbs after 4betting you almost have the right pot odds to call anything.