5NL - Double Barrel & Overbet River Against Fish

[Savy]

Villain is 47/32 after 19 hands.

SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $12.62 (252.4 bb)
UTG: $12.60 (252 bb)
MP: $3.09 (61.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $6.35 (127 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 T
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Think preflop is pretty standard.

Flop: ($0.32) 9 5 A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

Idea on the flop is that I don't have any showdown value and the flop is going to be the best place to take it down. There are also lots of cards that I really like (spade, 7, J & a 6 isn't bad) and as I'm in position against someone who is likely to be too passive I get to realise any equity that I pick up quite a lot of the time. I'd argue that I could have just bet half pot here and accomplished the same goal.

Turn: ($0.68) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BB calls $0.35

Turn I've picked up a spade which is always nice, the reason for a bet here is because I'm trying to build a pot for when I do hit where I expect I get paid off a lot. I am planning on overbetting when I do hit, the question is though is this a good plan in the first place and I'm not sure about sizing. I imagine I have little fold equity at this point.

River: ($1.38) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2

Draw gets in on the river, I'm going to stick to my plan and overbet for value fully expecting villain to call. Ohh shit what do I do with my sizing? Should I have just shoved at this point? The reason I went for $2 was because it felt like I was keeping to my plan whilst allowing myself some wiggle room to fold if he did shove which at the time I was unsure if would be ok or awful.

Also suggestions on taking similar lines against more competent players?

[BorisTheSpider]

Flop seems fine, but I don't mind bigger - if he's so loose, he can have wheel draws, he can also have plenty of draws around the 5 and the 9, so I probably go $0.22-$0.26, but if he doesn't fold postflop either that's no good - unless I have enough hands to know, I probably assume he's pretty fit-or-fold and just make it around the size you made it.

Turn seems fine, as you said, you have no FE on the turn really, since the wheel draws just completed or made a pair, 67 improved, and he's probably not folding a gutter around the 5 & 9 unless the river bricks so I don't think you get too many folds on the turn, but I don't mind juicing the pot because either you can make the flush, or you can just bloat the pot a bit to take it away on the river. Obviously if we miss the river, I'm just making it like half pot since he's always calling with any half decent piece and always folding his missed draws no matter what size we bet (well, within reason anyway, leaving aside an overbet).

River, I like the overbet. Your hand is well disguised so even though fish tend to be afraid of flushes I don't think he can fold a 3 or any ace. I'd be far more inclined to shove if you had the NFD on the flop and he called you down then it came in because these players will pay you off with the smaller flush most of the time. Here, I think your sizing is good, and shoving just makes him fold his Ax and maybe he even folds a 3, but I doubt it.

I don't think you can ever fold if this guy shoves, because your hand is so well disguised, he can shove a 3, a set and maybe A2/A4/A5/A9.

[abelardx]

A c-bet is always good on this dry A-high flop. When villain calls the c-bet he has an ace a lot of the time which he is not folding. So a second barrel is a bad idea as a bluff because he usually is not going to fold. However, here you pick up a flush draw so I like the turn bet as a semi-bluff. On the river, it's unfortunate, but these days people usually fold small hands to river overbets. So I'd just pot it.

[caddie444]

Pre is loose, but could be ok (you didn't mention how button or BB play, these are huge considerations)

flop standard

Definitely check turn, juicing the pot when you only make your flush ~20% of the time is not a good idea, also I would never assume to take anyone off of Ax at these stakes

as played the overbet is probably good

[Carroters]

Don't mind your turn line at all if we're OOP, in position though you should either bet bigger if you think you have FE, which you likely don't or check back with 0 FE. Depends on how this guy plays gutters, 9x, 5x but on this turn a lot of these are just not folding. If you think an overbet is going to be optimal on spade rivers, there's no sense in burning 7bbs 80% of the time on the turn just make a big overbet using a bet/check/overbet line that fish love to disbelieve. He may also lead the river with Ax on spades so the pot ends up the same size only your draw is free and you can make a big ass raise as you like.

[Savy]

Pre is loose, but could be ok (you didn't mention how button or BB play, these are huge considerations)

ye sorry, BTN and SB are pretty tight and weren't 3betting.

@Carroters - Ye the plan was originally was to check but for some reason I felt building a bigger pot was a better idea for my overbet but I probably agree that checking is a better idea. If we were OOP in this hand though I'd probably bet flop and check turn though do you think that's awful? I think against this guy who is too passive it's likely to be ok, but against a competent player I have no idea.

Also what do you of a

1/2 pot flop
check turn
$1 river? Calling or folding to a shove? I'd lean towards calling.

[Cobra_1878]

The reason I went for $2 was because it felt like I was keeping to my plan whilst allowing myself some wiggle room to fold if he did shove which at the time I was unsure if would be ok or awful.

How can you not be good on the river? Folding to a shove would be awful. What hands does he c/c, c/c with that have you beat on river?

Agree with standard cbet on flop, checking behind on turn.

[BorisTheSpider]

How can you not be good on the river? Folding to a shove would be awful. What hands does he c/c, c/c with that have you beat on river?

Given that he's playing 47% of his hands, there is one thing he can call the flop and turn with, but of course folding would still be awful - it's one combo of his entire range.

[Savy]

How can you not be good on the river? Folding to a shove would be awful. What hands does he c/c, c/c with that have you beat on river?

Agree with standard cbet on flop, checking behind on turn.

It wasn't that I thought there was a lot that beat me, it was that I think he'd only be shoving such a tiny % of hands.

[The Bean Counter]

Caddie/Carrot man nail it. Bet/calling every time vs this guy too on this run-out - there's a few combos of 9Xss that beat us but I'd expect us to be good versus other numerous random slow-played spaz when our backdoor comes in.

[Pelion]

I think you certainly do have FE on the turn if you make it mansized. Betting to get folds is fine. I don't like betting to "build the pot" and miss most of the time though, and if you really think you have no FE then you should check.

[griffey24]

I don't love the overbet here. I'd rather overbet with a strong hand on the river when an obvious draw bricks or something.

Assuming you bet turn and check back bricked rivers, you need to make about $1.40 on average everytime you hit the river (assuming 20% turn equity). If you are over-betting $2 here, you need to get called 70% of the time you make this bet. I don't think you get called that often to this size of bet.