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 Originally Posted by allLiving
Hand #1
-Fold KTo preflop, especially this early in the tourney, and with someone raising.
-How is this a smart bluff? You have 4 outs... That's it, 4. You also have no folding equity for that amount of a bet, especially since it was identical to your flop bluff.. If he called 120 on the flop, he sure as hell will call 120 on the turn.
-Yay you caught your 4 outter. You got lucky this time but you sure as hell better know you will lose in the long run doing this crap.
1) It was a min-raise from the button after everyone else had folded with 10/20 blinds vs. 1500+ stack sizes. If I'm not getting implied odds there, I don't know when I would be. I realize that such a bet could be a trap bet, but really, it was a $5 tourney and this guy really wasn't that solid of a player from what I had seen. Besides, a 20 chip raise for *value* with those stacksizes? I mean, really. (I normally do fold KTo - especially with raises before hand. But I really think in that situation I was getting implied odds. Also, blind protection. Yeah, they're not much, but still. If people get the idea that you'll fold to a minraise from the bigblind with no other limpers, they can start taking advantage of that)
2)I admit I had little-to-no folding equity with that turn bet - I should have bet more if I wanted that. But I mainly wanted information on what the hell he had. Min-betting for value made no fucking sense to me in that situation.
3)Yes I caught my 4-outter. Yes I was lucky. This guy let me be lucky though.
Originally Posted by allLiving
Moral of the Story: He had the better hand preflop and postflop, you got lucky he wasn't betting harder. Your play in this hand is what I like to describe maniacal.
Yeah, he had the better hand to start, and perhaps I was bordering on maniacal. If he were betting harder I would have laid down, no question. But what am I supposed to make of a min bet of 20 into an ~300pot with 1500+ stack sizes? What would you do there? call? fold? or try to get information with a reasonable sized bet? Because, hell, he might have that A or he might be drawing to a different straight or maybe he picked up a flushdraw or bottom pair and if a K comes I might have him beat. Maybe he was slowplaying a set - but with those blinds you don't min-bet for value. I was trying to get a clue as to what he had - and it wasn't very expensive for me to do so. If the flop came no help, I would have little issue folding to a 500 chip bet.
As far as I'm concerned he was a passive git and he got what he deserved.
Originally Posted by allLiving
Hand #2
-Fold this, don't even complete the SB. Yet again, this is another hand you got extremely lucky on and I feel bad for the other player. What are you looking to accomplish by playing 72o? Are you looking to someone flop two pair like this every hand? If you even flop top pair and someone shows alot of aggression, are you willing to go all in with it? I hope your answer is no.
-Only worried by trips? What about someone having a higher two pair??
-Again, him playing Axo while tilting is better than playing 72o...
-The reason he didn't type anything in chat is because he got outdrawn by a lucky fish played hand both times, no offense.
Normally i wouldn't. There were limpers, and a good chance pokerprayer was tilting or looking for revenge. but 10chips from what was then... 3750 with 5 other players? Again, I'm thinking implied odds there. And yeah, I basically am looking to flop 2pair there. if there was a 100 raise, I wouldn't have called. but 10 more chips with a passive BB? I don't think that's a leak.
And, you're right, I left out the higher two pair. if the aggression was from elsewhere, I would have paused. But I thought there was a really good chance that he was tilting or looking for revenge, and so i wanted a chance to capitalize cheaply -- and it paid off. if the flop doesn't it two pair or better without a scary board, I'm folding it. I think the 10chips were worth risking for 1690. If the blinds were 200/400 am I completing this? no way in hell.
maybe my analysis is way off, but I don't think my play was that horrid...
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I'm not saying I'm 100% right in all of my judgements here, and if my reasoning is flawed, please, point it out to me...
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gotta love the level I tourney play...
would have been a great time to bust out the fnordism (which i've never used, sadly).
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(I mean, i know the other player was loose....)
