Push here?

[SmackinYaUp]

***** Hand History for Game 1822925151 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Thursday, March 31, 14:30:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 37269 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Juvyk ( $12.19 )
Seat 3: bowl816 ( $52.16 )
Seat 5: Conrad45 ( $24.25 )
Seat 6: aceholegang ( $9.15 )
Seat 8: m3of3 ( $36.85 )
Seat 10: SlappYou ( $25.3 )
Conrad45 posts small blind [$0.1].
aceholegang posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappYou [ Ah Th ]
>You have options at Table 37261 Table!.
m3of3 calls [$0.25].
SlappYou raises [$1.5].
>You have options at Table 36930 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37261 Table!.
Juvyk calls [$1.5].
bowl816 calls [$1.5].
Conrad45 folds.
aceholegang folds.
>You have options at Table 37261 Table!.
m3of3 raises [$2.75].
SlappYou calls [$1.5].
Juvyk calls [$1.5].
bowl816 calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 7d, 3h ]
>You have options at Table 36930 Table!.
m3of3 bets [$4].
SlappYou calls [$4].
Juvyk folds.
bowl816 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
m3of3 checks.
SlappYou is all-In [$18.3]
bowl816 raises [$36.6].
m3of3 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
bowl816 shows [ Jh, Tc ] a straight, seven to jack.
SlappYou shows [ Ah, Th ] a flush, ace high.
bowl816 wins $18.3 from side pot #1 with a straight, seven to jack.
SlappYou wins $58.95 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

I figured I still had outs if I didnt scare them off but didnt know I was against a made straight.

[Bo G]

Very interesting pre flop call with JTo post flop he did play good and you ended up with a good beat.

[Strung]

I'm not much of a NL player just dabbling a bit. I don't know if you could push the flop with that but I think the flop call was appropriate. I think you were getting about 4:1 or close and you had 15 or so outs. I'm not too sure about the turn call. I would of probably folded heh.

[SmackinYaUp]

I didnt call on the turn, I was the first one in and pushed. I dont think I would have called much on the turn, but since it was a juicy pot I pushed in hoping to take it but somewhat reassured that I had outs. I think the table already saw me as kinda maniacal so maybe it wasnt the best idea to try and buy it. After that hand though, everything else I had got paid off.

[Cocco_Bill]

I wouldn't make it a habit to see such an expensive flop with ATs. I don't think its a good idea to raise with it in early position, most of the time will get called by dominating hands.

[ensign_lee]

Your preflop worries me.

Early position? You want to play A T suited? You're playing for drawing value, right? Oh well, if you want to play for the value of A T, then the raise is fine.

HOwever, when you get raised back, you should run like hell. YOu raised 6x the BB and got RERAISED. What hand AREN'T you an underdog against?

[SmackinYaUp]

Well if my preflop play worries you now would it help if I said that I even raise KTo from any position against limpers? Its just a shorthanded thing though...

The re-raise by that guy didnt go unnoticed but everyone at the table called it like I thought so I stayed to see what happened - besides these guys were playing some garbage and the pot was growing pretty quickly already.

Anyways, what about the push?

[storm75m]

Personally, I like the push. You've gotta expect that the others will fold at least half of the time, and you've got a ton of outs just in case. However I did this exact thing last night in almost the exact same situation, got called, and missed. I wasn't too upset with the results though. However if you have the maniac image this is a very very risky move, works much better with the tight image.

[Greedo017]

you're not a favorite here. me personally, i don't push i check/call. true, you have a lot of outs, but you're still not favored to beat most hands you might be up against.

i disagree with some advice some people said also. A 10 is a fine hand for 6 max, and the guy with J 10 played crappily after the flop, he had no business calling that flop bet.

[Sykedupp]

I push....

Push....

Push....

Nice Push....

-Chris likes to gamble

[Fnord]

I hate the pre-flop raise at a table this fishy. You can't push them around so use hands like ATs to make cheap hands and get them paid off. Putting in so much of your stack pre-flop and being in a spot where you have to fold pre-flop to a big raise is bad.

Unless you have a VERY good reason to think he'll fold, I like calling here better. You're both pretty pot-struck anyway, so you may as well try to have both opponents and money behind on the river.

I used to push big draws often, but found that they call anyway and it's more profitable to play rivers on the come against these clowns.

[SmackinYaUp]

I gotta raise a lot preflop when playing 6max - pushing people around is key for me - it slowly builds my stack or at least keeps me even and it gets me paid off when my hands hit.

But I like your idea of calling at this point because of the fact that it may get more of everyone else's money in the pot. However in this situation given the info I had I still like my push because it would have bought me the pot if any other card would have fallen but still had outs just in case.

actually i dont know any more if i like it or not i guess thas why i asked.


some very good points though fnord i like how you think