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  1. #1

    Default Flakey move early in a tourney.

    I'm MP about 6 hands in on a $10 tourney and I'm dealt AKo in MP.

    UTG raises 3xbb, Fold Fold Fold; I reraise 6xbb to 9, Button calls; fold fold, UTG calls. I put UTG on QQ, JJ.

    Flop comes JJT rainbow. UTG bets 2/3 pot.

    My move here I think is either push or fold, and the guy here has played tight so far, so I push, hoping he puts me on higher pockets, 10s, or the jack and lays it down, plus, if he's on QQ, I have 2 outs to the straight and 6 to a higher pair and an early chip lead that I can sit on people with. This is the first hand he's played, so I put him on tight, and push with about 700 in the pot.

    No poop, he flips over Queens and eats my stack.

    Smooth move. Any redeeming factors?
    Operation Learn to Read
    Reads: 7 posted
    Money: $31
    SNGs: 0
    MTTs: 0
  2. #2

    Default Re: Flakey move early in a tourney.

    Quote Originally Posted by aleksandr
    I have 2 outs to the straight
    No you don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by aleksandr
    Any redeeming factors?
    Not really. You made a terrible play and lost. Move on.
  3. #3

    Default wow

    well your first mistake happened before you even saw the flop. You put your opponent on two very specific hands and then on flop when two jacks came out (which was one of the hands you put him on) you reraised him?!?!? Just cause that would have given him 4 of a kind doesnt mean it wouldnt happen. From the look of it he could have had anything preflop between AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99, straight draw,AK,KQ,KJ. Also you basically pushed all in with a gut shot and missed, what a shocker, if i where you i would change your thinking on player reading, also a gutshot you have 4 outs, not 2.
  4. #4

    Default Re: Flakey move early in a tourney.

    Quote Originally Posted by aleksandr
    ... plus, if he's on QQ, I have 2 outs to the straight ...
    If he had QQ, then a 3rd Q would give you the straight but it would give him a full house with paired Jacks on the board.
    Pyroxene
  5. #5
    Good call there, I am a retard. But I still had the overs.

    Also, when JJ comes down, I ruled out my opponent having JJ.
    Operation Learn to Read
    Reads: 7 posted
    Money: $31
    SNGs: 0
    MTTs: 0
  6. #6
    I wouldn't have done it simply because I know on the first couple hands of a tournament, people will go AI with anything promising, it's freaking scary. Last night, first hand I get AA on the button. Starting stacks $800, blinds 10/20. Now I know people can be silly loose on the first hand, so I raise 200. Get 2 callers. Board comes up K95 rainbow. Minbet, call, I raise to 200. One caller. Rag on the turn, so I push AI and get called...

    by the K5 offsuit.

    (shrug)

    Stuff like that is common. I'm now staying the HELL away from the All In button until at least hand 3. I don't care if I end up with a quarter of my starting stack, I can deal with that. But these folks are nuts.
  7. #7
    no need to risk all your chips so early in a tourney.. you missed your flop and there was a good sized bet into you by a player who reraised you preflop, he's probably got something good here. he probably wont think you have the jack because it is probably more likely that you'd slow play the trips. he also wont put you on a bigger pair because you didn't reraise his reraise, you simply called preflop, which was the right play with AK. also you pushed also "knowing" that if called you still have the chance of hitting you overcards for a better pair giving you only 6 outs with 2 cards to go. also you seemed awfully confident that he had QQ, and you were right in this case, however he could have just as easily had KK or AA, giving you even fewer outs. if he has KK, you have 3 outs for A, 4 for Q making straight since he doesn't has the queens in this scenario. if he has AA, you have only 4 outs of hitting the Q for the straight. out of the 3 most likely hands he has in this situation, your best bet would be to have only 7 outs with 2 cards to go, which is not good odds in your favor. i also think you will rarely get him to lay his hand down with this play, especcially in a $10 game. you missed the flop, just get out and save your chips so you still have a chance at winning later
  8. #8

    Default Re: Flakey move early in a tourney.

    Quote Originally Posted by aleksandr
    Any redeeming factors?
    The redemption here is your good read -- you called two hands, and one of them was IT. Good job!

    Everyone else has put in their 2 cents already, but I'd like to encourage you to be careful counting outs -- a fault of my own. There are often "tainted" outs, and your two Q's for a Straight is an example, because that would give him a FH.
    The one I blow it with is holding second or third pair after the flop, with pot odds to stay in for "5" outs, but my two pair gives the 'underbetting' toppair dude a better two pair. There are tons of examples -- the sucker straight, the reversed full house -- give yourself some time to "uncount " some of your outs, especially with resistance from a well-read tight player.

    Again -- good read!
    I'm a know-it-all.




    No, really.

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