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    Default Things that I learned from my Stars $5 R&A Experience

    Things that I learned from my $5 R&A Experience:

    Essentially this will be a synopsis of my play in the Poker Stars $5 R&A on 1/13/05, this may end up being a stream of consciousness post, however I will try and keep this as coherent as possible. I figured I would share this with everyone in the hopes that it may actually be a help to some of you. Perhaps it is stuff you already know, it is certainly stuff I thought I knew, but in reality I just learned this first hand and I'm excited to share.
    I had a rough start initially; there was a maniac at my table that was pushing All-In every single hand for nearly the whole first hour. I was very clear that he was pushing with any two as when everyone folded he would show the worst cards imaginable. I finally got a hand 15 minutes in and decided to play with him, long story short - He sucked out against me and one other person catching running 3 or some such nonsense. I re-bought twice immediately and took a couple pots while he was catching his breath at the 30 minute point (he had re-bought at least 12 times by then). I again clashed with him and he took another 4000 chips from me in a pretty awful beat….he was just getting stupid lucky at this point, and I was pretty disheartened and thought about cutting my losses and nearly did not re-buy, I decided I was not going to let him get the best of me and chose to r-buy for 3K “one more time” (there was about 15 minutes left in the re-buy period.) He had amassed a sizeable stack so he was starting to slow down. I was fortunate to catch a couple hands and turn my 3K into roughly 5K and when there was only a minute or two left in the first hour I again took him on as well as a short stack. I ended up finally beating him an was sitting on roughly 12K chips at the first break and added on another 2K for an additional $5.
    During the second hour nearly everyone calmed down and started playing what I would call normal MTT poker. I played solid cards as Soupie would say, not a whole lot of poker, but I did put a few moves on people, caught some hands – stole some (my own personal brand of poker) and ended up at roughly 23K at the second break.
    There was an hour or two of pretty boring poker in there, and then I sitting on about 60K with somewhere around 80 people out of 620 left. (ITM was 64 I believe) At this point the story becomes interesting - Soupie really started pushing me to play outside of my comfort zone…quit playing straight-up ABC poker and start shoving all you chips in the middle, no matter what two card you are holding. I would fold and Soupie would type (in IRC)…WTF was that and I would reply 5-2 off suit – he would retort so what push them in….NOW.
    Really Important Part
    I decided to stop fighting Soupie and let go of my apprehensions and just follow his advice on faith. Let me tell you - IT IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO….letting go of the style of play that got you to that point. I now understand why it is important and the right thing to do. It truly is the only way to give yourself a chance at making the final table. The blinds start getting very high and people are either becoming very tight or super aggressive and unless you catch A-A and K-K repeatedly there is not other way to survive. Let me say this again There is no other way to survive other than to steal blinds and re-raise all-in against min-raisers. I have heard Rada, Micheal1123, Ripptyde and Soupie say it over and over again, and in theory I understood and agreed, but in practice it is an EXTREMELY difficult thing to do. You have been playing your heart out and you have to push all-in with 9-3o two positions away from the money and risk not getting anything….nothing at all for that four hours work. After you do it a couple of times you start to realize that even if the have 120K in chips and you have 50K they are not going to call your preflop all-in with anything other than super premium hands. They can not afford to risk 1/3 or ½ of their stack calling you, because you may actually have a hand this time. As Soupie says…you give yourself and additional way to win – their fear. If you do run into a premium hand then there is nothing more to do than hope you suck out – shake it off, and push on the next hand. Do not be completely reckless about it, look for weakness, do not do it into a significant raise unless you have a very good hand….…etc (common sense really). After you double up exclusively from steals, a funny thing happens 1) You become much more confident, you feel like a complete animal 2) The people at the table truly start to fear you. They stop limping-in for fear of losing that 6,000 preflop limp….they either get pre-emptive about it and push themselves with a hand they want to play (and often battle w/ each other and knock themselves out) or they sit passively by and allow you to steal from them. The table stops playing mediocre hands and checks it to you….and you can’t let them down – push all-in again. You have to be careful of people camping for monsters to trap you with (I am still working on this skill) but it worked incredibly well for me.
    In the end we whittled the final table down to 4 people and I made a few truly terrible plays and bone-headed calls….call it stage fright, some fear and confusion….call it self destruct. Whatever it was, it happened to me….sitting on 1.2 million chips there is no way I should have gone out in 4th place – at minimum I should have taken second, but live and learn. There are things I wish I had done differently, but I have no real regrets the most important things that came from last night is experience and confidence. I have been to the final table….and now I know I can get back there. The only difference next time will be I am going to win it – no 4th….no 3rd…..no messing around with second best – I AM going to win it.
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    Well for anyone who read this, take note, this is a knowledgble player who will be posting more wins in the future, he had the capacity to adapt and win, and did. You can play cards and win occasionally in smaller, lower skilled MTTs, but you have to learn to play poker.

    How much do you feel you've improved game wise, in that single MTT? Look forward to the next month because it will be a great wild ride for you Dav. Great stuff .
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    Great post and great way to shift gears.

    In MTT, I often find that one of my biggest challenges is knowing when to change gears. Any advice?
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    Congrats on 4th. If you had a better position on Jizman(or whatever his name was), I bet you would have been in the top two. Well played.

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    That was a awesome post. Thank you. Congrats on the fourth, I'm sure we'll see you posting in the winners circle soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeldud
    In MTT, I often find that one of my biggest challenges is knowing when to change gears. Any advice?
    Sounds like the appropriate time is when people start tightening up to make sure they get to the money. Shut it off once you hit the money untill the elation of making the money is over.

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    That was so much fun, it was hard to describe. I wish i had saved all that text I wrote to you to get you into the game, but i will recreate it as best as i can remember.

    soupie...ok Dave you get one of your testicles back for that play

    Soupie... Dave isnt nice to know when you scratch you nuts there will be more than an empty sack down there now

    Soupie... Dave your balls are getting so big you gonna need a wheelbarrow to go to work tomorrow

    Soupie.... Dave your testicles are getting so big, you gonna roll over in bed tonight and break your wifes leg

    Soupie.... Boy that will a fun emergency room visit.......ah doc...... no doc, it wasn't domestic violence...... ah, more like testicular violence.....ya see i was playing poker, and uh.....they just grew, and grew, and grew....

    Yah, I like testicle humor, guess its just my background ( rude, stupid, homo jokes will be roundly ignored here). If you have ever spent a year in gross anatomy, you have a whole different perspective on life.

    I was a great game to watch, I felt like it was the birth of a poker player. Congrats again Dave
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    are you a physician soupie?
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    It was not so much the taunts that Soupie was throwing out, it was the humor of it all that really got me off my butt. I had gathered a respectable stack of chips and was simply playing tight and scared. Soupie and Elanto wise-cracking like that took my mind off the seriousness of the job at hand (so mush so I made a couple clicking mistakes tying to keep up with their furious typing) My face hurt from laughing so hard - my wife came into the room a couple times to see what I was lauging about, as she could hear me in the other room. In the end I was extremely relaxed and in the right frame of mind to do what I needed to do to give myself the opportunity to win.
    It is difficult to articulate how or what the change was, it simply something you must EXPERIENCE
    Quote Originally Posted by Radashack
    How much do you feel you've improved game wise, in that single MTT?
    It is a difficuly thing to quantify, I suppose the real answer is we will see....If I continue to play as well and make the final table, cashing large sums of money then I suppose I learned a whole lot.
    I FEEL as though I have turned a corner....all those months of reading, studying and playing poker culminated in the instant during the game when I finally understood what it was I needed to do.....I knew it all along, but prevented myself from doing it for whatever reason - now I know HOW to to it (sorta like muscle memory) if you understand what I'm saying. So my answer to the question is that I feel as though I improved in that one game as much as I have improved over the last 8 months - and that is saying alot!
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    Great post and congratulations. I am definetly taking notes...
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    great job was a fun time watching you in irc and ps during this time.


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    I had a little trouble letting go of my apprehensions in a smaller touney (250ish) as well. I was as high as 2nd pretty late, but the no. 1 had >3x my stack and I was scared of him. Because he was at my table, I wasn't confortable pushing with 30 left (20 ITM).

    Eventually he left, and I started pushing but busted out quickly in 16th place, for a cool $10 for my 4 hours.

    However, I have a new strategy. One of my favorite bands in high school is called the Toy Dolls, and I have recently redisovered them. Think Chuck Berry on Speed with a Cockney accent.

    I am convinced that you cannot be weak playing this music. Go to Apple Stor e/iTunes and check 'em out.
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    Radashack really summed it up nicely while I was playing....something along these lines:
    "Hey Dave, you can bust out 5 positions from now and get your buy-in back or you can sieze every opportunity to win this.....to win this you have to push them all in repeatedly - its the only way, the choice is yours......"
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    Thanks Dave for your support last night! I gave up any preconceived notions I had about being weak tight, and did just fine. It is very nice to have IRC going to get a little support. Thanks again and congrats!
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    congratulations dav, you deserved it man, and i enjoyed all the pep talk soupie gave you it was hilarious, well be seeing a lot of you in the up coming MTT's in stars, im sure of it


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    Thanks for posting this Dave.

    I am a pretty good ring game player who is trying to get good at playing tournaments without much success yet. After reading this post (and a couple other soupie coached player posts) I think I am starting to understand why I do well in the first half of a tournament, but not later.

    I guess I need to steal the blinds more late in the tournament. This is clearly explained in Rippy’s strategy post but, as your say Dave, it is hard to change.

    Thank you,
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