did i play this wrong?

[gutshot]

Early in a $2 freezeout at The Gaming Club last nite, I get KK UTG and raise 3x BB(10/20 blinds). I get a caller from the CO and SB and BB come in as well.

Pot is 240 and flop comes Q rag rag(2 clubs). I pump out a pot size bet and get 3 callers. Uh ok wtf?

Turn comes another rag. I shove my stack in and CO calls, the other two fold. He turns over AJ clubs and rivers flush. He then proceeds to tell me "dont slowplay pocket pairs. sorry" I'm all-in in the BB next hand and go out.

I took his drawing odds away on the flop right? I suppose he could have concocted some fantasy implied odds scenario and justified the call in his head or really had no idea wtf he was talking about. OR, do I just suck at NL?

[a500lbgorilla]

Post flop was g00t.

Preflop, they'll call a lot more than 60 chip that early.

If you make it 120, you get 1 caller

-'rilla

[DavSimon]

I've noticed that people seem to be more likely to draw for thier flushes than str8s - they don't care about the odds and they connect enough to be really annoying, but I have taken down plenty of people with top set or top 2 pair who called my large...or AI bets with flush draws. These situations in the long run (I know blah...blah...blah) are very profitable for you, just didn't work out this time.

The biggest thing to me was his comment....how much faster are you supposed to play pocket pairs? 3xBB raise to rid yourself of junk....Pot sized bet on the flop - it's not like you limped with K-K

In the end you may have overplayed those kings, you saw he was coming along for the ride and K-K is a nice starting hand but with four cards out you could have just as easily been up against a fush draw AND/OR a flopped set - hell...even a middle/low PP (lately people are not letting go of thier small PP for some reason) that hit on the turn (don't know what the board looked like from your post) Really hard to give advice/analysis without seeing the stacks, board and having any kind of read on the players or texture of the table. I can certainly sympathize though....happens to me all the time.

[gabe]

early on in a tourny 3xBB is not enough ! sometimes i go 6bb with lots of limpers in front of me, and if they all fold, thats fine with me, if one or two calls I am still in good shape with a hand like KK

[gutshot]

More money preflop. Roger! 8-)

[Iconoclastic]

Actually, I think his Flop call was good. Look at it from his perspective:

He calls with AJc as last to act. Flop comes two clubs and a pot sized bet of 240. There are two extra callers making the pot 960 chips. He only has to call 240. He has better than 1/5 of making a Flush or pairing his A on the Turn. Will he win 240 multiplied by 5 chips if he makes his hand? Absolutely, he will win MUCH more than 1200 chips, with 3 other people left in the hand, someone is guaranteed to go all in with him.

The Turn call was horrible though.

I think you were unlucky in getting so many damn callers which priced in the AJc. And a bad beat on the river.

[TylerK]

Post flop was g00t.

Preflop, they'll call a lot more than 60 chip that early.

If you make it 120, you get 1 caller

-'rilla

I dunno. Normally I'd say yes, but even the silliest player knows to watch out for a 6x raise coming from UTG.

Edit: Unless there are rebuys. If there are rebuys, *I* will call 6x with any 2 cards that are suited, or connected, or that I maybe saw win a hand once, or that remind me of a funny story...

[gutshot]

Actually, I think his Flop call was good. Look at it from his perspective:

He calls with AJc as last to act. Flop comes two clubs and a pot sized bet of 240. There are two extra callers making the pot 960 chips. He only has to call 240. He has better than 1/5 of making a Flush or pairing his A on the Turn. Will he win 240 multiplied by 5 chips if he makes his hand? Absolutely, he will win MUCH more than 1200 chips, with 3 other people left in the hand, someone is guaranteed to go all in with him.

The Turn call was horrible though.

I think you were unlucky in getting so many damn callers which priced in the AJc. And a bad beat on the river.

On the flop, he has to call a pot sized bet and he has no idea what SB and BB are doing. He wasn't closing the betting in that round. To me, it still seems like a really bad call. Even if he KNEW one of the two blinds would call, it's a mistake to chase along.

[GramiHiaus]

You'd be amazed at how profitable KK and AA can be if you simply shove your stack in preflop at the $10 and less. People seem to have enough sense to think "that's a stupid play with AA, you'd never ger callers!" and think you're bluffing, and as such call you with A9+ or KQ, etc. This only works if you're playing against idiots, which fortunately, you usually are.

Your postflop play was fine, you should be happy to get that much money in the pot when you're ahead.

The reason you're raising preflop is to accomplish two goals - to get more money in the pot when you almost certainly have the best hand, and to narrow down how many you're playing against, since you're going to be willing to commit your stack most of the time postflop. In a higher buy in SNG, a smaller raise is needed because players know not to call with hands like 35o; in a smaller buy in, you need to raise more preflop to get out the trash.

What you're hoping for is one caller with something like AJ, AQ, KQ, KJ or something like that that you can stack when the flop comes K/Q/Jxx.