SNG hand decision

[TanO]

I played this game last night and would like to know what you would have done !

- Background on player jjellync -

so far this player has only raised twice preflop and has not reraised anyone in any hand. He has been regularly raising the minimum amount on the flop and turn whether he has a hand or not.

Game #388750223: Texas Hold'em No Limit (50/100)

Table "STT1 385529 - 1" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 2: Rake2ucom (420 in chips)
Seat 4: TanO (2099 in chips)
Seat 5: Supera002 (1659 in chips)
Seat 8: Sammyg23 (2425 in chips)
Seat 9: jjellync (1690 in chips)
Seat 10: grape (1707 in chips)
jjellync: posts small blind 50
grape: posts big blind 100
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to TanO [Kh Qh]
Rake2ucom: folds
TanO: raises to 300
Supera002: folds
Sammyg23: folds
jjellync: raises to 500
grape: folds
TanO: calls 200
----- FLOP ----- [7d Js Ks]
jjellync: bets 1190 and is all-in


I took all the allotted time to work out the hands he could be on and then


TanO: calls 1190
----- TURN ----- [7d Js Ks][Td]
----- RIVER ----- [7d Js Ks Td][2d]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
jjellync: shows [Qc Ad] (A Straight, Ace high)
TanO: shows [Kh Qh] (A Pair of Kings, Queen high)
jjellync collected 3480 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 3480 Main pot 3480 Rake 0
Board [7d Js Ks Td 2d]
Seat 2: Rake2ucom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TanO lost
Seat 5: Supera002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sammyg23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jjellync (small blind) showed [Qc Ad] and won (3480) with A Straight, Ace high
Seat 10: grape (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Corey]

hes going on a draw and he called I would have folded

[TanO]

Because its a coinflip but will cripple you if his draw comes ?

I'd call, he's essentially made a pot sized bet there, you've got top pair decent kicker, it'd be unfortunate to run into AK/KK/KJ so sure, call.

[Shady]

I would have folded to his reraise preflop.

You knew by your description of him he had anything from AA KK AK QQ or AQ. Which all have you out beat on just about every hand you could possibly have gotten.

If I had called and he went all in i would have folded. He's got you beat with KK AK AA even JJ or any of the high card flush draws along with the straight draw he was shooting for. Granted he's a moron for doing that, but you picked the wrong time to try to punish him.

[r8ed]

Wait for a better hand to risk that many chips with. In a sitNgo, don't take risks like that especially since you have plenty of chips. I made a similar call last night that put me in 4th place. Even if you are 90% sure it's a bluff, it's not worth it. Only when shortstacked and desperate.

[Corey]

Because its a coinflip but will cripple you if his draw comes ?

im sorry I read that wrong, you had a pair of kings queen high, in that case yes I Would have called.

I thought you went all in and he called on a draw.

my apologies...


bad beat what can u do about it...

[iwa]

Yeah, a lot of people seem to do some crazy move like this... they are the first ones to act, and they go AI automatically. 9 times out of 10 they are on some stupid draw, either flush or straight. I think you put your money in at a good time, you just have to hope for the best.

[FlyingSaucy]

I vote fold preflop. Too much risk against a hefty reraise at that point in a SnG, especially with your player notes.

[LeFou]

I think i could let this go with no hearts onboard. the PF reraise would make me think AK. AQ should generally just call there.

Of course, people don't do what they're generally supposed to, but that would be my assumption

[zenbitz]

Can't call an all-in with TPGK right?

[pokerfanatic]

I think I might have called in that spot because this guy raised basically a pot sized bet worse case scenario he has KK then AA then KJ... KK isn't real likely given that he has to have the case Ks for it to happen, he only raised you 200 preflop, this seems like a small raise if he had AA, given that he isn't a strong player to play a hand that slow, so that leaves us with AK, AQ, KJ, which you are a favorite to AQ since he only has a draw, AK has you beat but you have 3 outs (very low) and same case if he has KJ you have 3 outs, with my read being that I don't have him on AA or KK I would have to probably call, and hope best case scenario is that he has AQ like he did and if he does have me out kicked I’m not drawing completely dead, if this was a tournament I would also consider how much of my stack it would take to call he's all in... if it's more then like 1/3 you chips i would fold and wait for a bettor spot...

[TylerK]

Folding preflop to his raise would be a HUGE mistake. There's 800 in the pot plus blinds and you have to call 200? Not a lot of hands that you can sensibly fold there.

Immediately rule out KK, JJ, and KJ on the flop. There are very few players capable of not checking a set or top 2 pair to you. Strongly consider AA, QQ, AK, or a draw. Given your description of the player's previous actions I would be likely to put him on a very strong hand like AA, KK, QQ or AK preflop.

I'm curious what range of hands you put him on on the flop that made you decide to call.

[lolzzz_321]

I call.

[TanO]

I put him on a draw, I decided that if he had been winning on the flop he would have checked because he knows after seeing previous hands in the game that I am likely to raise. His allin was pretty much instant too, which just didnt "fit" with everything he'd done previously. If he had AA or KK he would have reraised properly before the flop instead of the measly 200 reraise, he knows I'm up for it, so he should be raising allin right there if he's got it.

I think it's a interesting hand though, I still dont know if I played it right, but its nice to see other peoples thought processes !

[Tenny]

Would have figured him for AK and I would have folded

[iwa]

After re-evaluating this hand, I would have layed it down.

[michael1123]

I think I would've called here. It feels like QQ or a pocket pair lower than jacks to me, although AA is very possible as well, its just a question of whether he'd bet a bit less with AA on the flop. If he lead with a bet of 500 or something on the flop, I'd definitely fold, as he'd be showing that he wants a call then, and you already should be very concerned with AA, AK, and KK.

AQ is silly both preflop and at the flop. He should've reraised all in preflop instead of the silly minraise, especially with his stack, but as you said he minraises every time he raises. In any case, you should've known you were likely behind preflop, but I'd have taken a flop too.

But on second thought, you did have 1500 left at the flop. I may have folded too. It is a tough decision, and would probably mostly be based on my respect level for the player, and from what you say about him, I doubt it would be very high ... in which case, I would've called! Final answer!