SNG Hand... Could I get away?

[Fortune 500]

My preflop call was a little weak... but in the end, it was only 45 to win 340. I was getting roughly 9-1 on my money with some nice suited connectors. When I flop the nuts, did I play it wrong? I know I checked it UTG, but the two most aggressive players preflop were still to my left and I was setting a trap. I thought my raise would get me heads up with someone.... Thoughts?



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Stage #90113649: Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $10 [2005-03-05 03:27:57]
Seat 1 - JIMSUEB $1475 in chips
Seat 2 - CLAIREBLANCO $600 in chips
Seat 3 - NDNGIVER $2035 in chips
Seat 4 - FORTUNE500 $1485 in chips
Seat 5 - TEXANGEL $1095 in chips
Seat 6 - KILLERX $3290 in chips
Seat 7 - BOO3 $1290 in chips
Seat 8 - SATURNER4301 $1490 in chips
Seat 9 - GAP52 $740 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 2] ***
NDNGIVER - Post small blind $10
FORTUNE500 - Post big blind $15
FORTUNE500 - Pocket [10s,Js]
TEXANGEL - Calls $15
KILLERX - Raises $15 to $30
BOO3 - Raises $30 to $60
SATURNER4301 - Folds
GAP52 - Calls $60
JIMSUEB - Folds(Blind disconnect)
CLAIREBLANCO - Calls $60
NDNGIVER - Folds
FORTUNE500 - Calls $45
TEXANGEL - Calls $45
KILLERX - Calls $30
*** FLOP [9d,8h,7s] ***
FORTUNE500 - Checks
TEXANGEL - Checks
KILLERX - Checks
BOO3 - Bets $75
GAP52 - Calls $75
CLAIREBLANCO - Calls $75
FORTUNE500 - Raises $75 to $240
TEXANGEL - Calls $240
KILLERX - Folds
BOO3 - Folds
GAP52 - Calls $165
CLAIREBLANCO - Folds
*** TURN [9d,8h,7s,Jh] ***
FORTUNE500 - All-In $1185
TEXANGEL - All-In $795
GAP52 - All-In $440
FORTUNE500 - returned ($390) : not called
FORTUNE500 - returned ($0) : not called
*** RIVER [9d,8h,7s,Jh,9h] ***
FORTUNE500 - Calls
TEXANGEL - Calls
GAP52 - Calls
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($3270:$2560,$710)
Board [9d,8h,7s,Jh,9h]
JIMSUEB - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
CLAIREBLANCO - Folded on the FLOP
NDNGIVER - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
FORTUNE500 - HI:Straight, seven to jack [10s,Js - P:Js,P:10s,B:9h,B:8h,B:7s]
TEXANGEL - Total ($3270) All-In HI$3270)Straight, eight to queen [10h,Qc - P:Qc,B:Jh,P:10h,B:9h,B:8h]
KILLERX - Folded on the FLOP
BOO3 - Folded on the FLOP
SATURNER4301 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
GAP52 - HI:Two pair, nines and eights [8d,Ad - B:9h,B:9d,B:8h,P:8d,P:Ad]

[Fortune 500]

I Guess in retrospect, My flop reraise was probably not big enough... though, from the looks of it, it may or may not have worked. By only going to 240, when he already had 75 in... He was getting a little better than 3 to 1 on his call, which is ROUGHLY what you need to chase the OESD.

[JeffreyGB]

Nope, couldn't get away, at least, not unless you're willing to fold the nut straight (yours on the flop) on a regular basis. Tough break, man.

[iwa]

I think you bet a sound amount, the person you bet into, drew to their card. Your raise was fine, I would be looking for people to call with TPTK, 2 pair, etc. I think you played the hand fine, the fish drew to their card, and it was not in your favor. Rough hand.

[jak]

why don't you check-raise all-in the flop?

you go all-in with the nuts, while them suckers need to risk all chips
to gamble with a str8 draw or even a lower str8.

[Fortune 500]

why don't you check-raise all-in the flop?

you go all-in with the nuts, while them suckers need to risk all chips
to gamble with a str8 draw or even a lower str8.

That might have been a better move, given the way the hand played out... but It's a weird situation. I really was trying to get heads up and extract chips. I had my fish on the line... didn't want to lose him.

Plus, it was only like hand 9 of the tournament. Wasnt really WANTING to get all in at that point... and perhaps that's what cost me the hand.

When I go all in on the turn, I'm of course afraid that someone else has caught a Ten. I was sitting there going Well, Q10 beats me, but he can't have that. Let's just shove, try to get someone else in, and take the split pot with whoever has the other ten.

[jak]

I really was trying to get heads up and extract chips. I had my fish on the line... didn't want to lose him.

going all-in on the turn was much more risky than going all-in on the flop.
most of the time your str8 will win, and if he calls and gambles,
you will double up from him with your flopped str8 almost every time.

[poskid_1982]

You have to remember that this is the reason you do not slow play straights. Once your straight got counterfeited on the turn you should have folded. No question in my mind. If my straight gets counterfeited like that and then I'm faced with an allin...I'm out like a fat kid in dodge ball.

[iwa]

How by any mind set, would you guess someone to call a huge check raise with a double gutshot? I think you played the hand very well... going allin on the flop would be a silly move IMO. With a rainbow flop, and you flop the nuts, why would you NOT slow play the hand? As far as his straight getting counterfeited on the turn, how would you ever put someone on a hand like q10? The guy hit a 3 outer, making the only hand that could be yours, on the turn. Play this hand like you played it in this situation, and I promise you it will present a situation where you will extract the most chips from this hand.

[Fortune 500]

I have this bad habit of thinking about hands long after I've played them... and I'm certain I played it as well as I could've, other than maybe not raising enough on the turn. Still, I'm not too worried about Q10 there... so I want to get paid. Oh well. I don't think I could have done much more about it.

[JeffreyGB]

I have this bad habit of thinking about hands long after I've played them...

I'm still thinking about the AA fold I made toward the end of 2004.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...highlight=aa+q

- Jeffrey

[Tenny]

I would have check raised all in after the flop. I had the same hand and board over the weekend on a Poker Stars SNG. I got a call from someone with 2 pair and got paid off. Sometimes you set a trap and you end up trapping yourself. I like to get my money in when I have the nuts and make them pay to outdraw me.

[iwa]

Going AI is not a smart move in this point. You have to think what hands other people have. In this case, on the raise, I would put someone possibly on a a9.... 2 pair. Still, to get the optimum amount of chips over time, you need to slow play the hand. You have to think "what can I do against this opponent to get the maximum amound of chips out of him". If you actually looked over the hand, you will see that people bet it out before him, and he simply had to raise, and he made a sound raise IMO.

[Fortune 500]

I reraised for exactly the reason Iwa mentioned. Two pair is out there, and the one guy who didn't show probably had that. I can't fathom what else he came along for the ride with, other than maybe a set. Two pair is more dangerous to me than any hand with a ten... Two pair has 4 outs to go to a boat, whereas anyone with the ten is drawing to really only 3 outs, since I'm holding the one jack. I really expected them to lay down to my reraise, and certainly didn't expect two callers... The turn jack is certainly not a good card for me... but it doesn't spell suicide. I truthfully expected a split pot when I moved all in... My hopes were that I could get enough in the pot that the two pair would call as well. He did... I figured I'd be splitting his chips with anyone holding a ten. it was just shittly luck that I happened into the very unlikely nuts here. I'm at peace with my play.

Edit: I guess he did show down two pair. I hadn't noticed that before.