5 Unlucky hands or 5 bad hands?

[Staple Gun]

This is hands 5-9 of a 6 person $10 SnG
Did I misplay this or was it just bad luck? I think I went wrong with the first pocket Kings, I shouldve folded on the turn, perhaps raised more PF

*edit - typo*



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Hand #4886375-5 at Shelby (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 13/Mar/05 22:23:21

Stack Morris is at seat 0 with 1490.
timmagic1963 is at seat 1 with 1740.
Fin_NoLimit is at seat 2 with 1210.
TommyW is at seat 3 with 1655.
toml_8 is at seat 4 with 1550.
dibbah is at seat 5 with 1355.
The button is at seat 3.

toml_8 posts the small blind of 10.
dibbah posts the big blind of 20.

Stack Morris: -- --
timmagic1963: -- --
Fin_NoLimit: -- --
TommyW: -- --
toml_8: Ad 3d
dibbah: -- --

Pre-flop:

Stack Morris folds. timmagic1963 calls. Fin_NoLimit
calls. TommyW folds. toml_8 calls. dibbah checks.


Flop (board: Kd 8d 9c):

toml_8 checks. dibbah checks. timmagic1963 checks.
Fin_NoLimit bets 80. toml_8 calls. dibbah folds.
timmagic1963 folds.

Turn (board: Kd 8d 9c Ts):

toml_8 checks. Fin_NoLimit checks.

River (board: Kd 8d 9c Ts 3h):

toml_8 checks. Fin_NoLimit checks.



Showdown:

toml_8 shows Ad 3d.
toml_8 has Ad 3d Kd Ts 3h: a pair of threes.
Fin_NoLimit shows As 9h.
Fin_NoLimit has As 9h Kd 9c Ts: a pair of nines.


Hand #4886375-5 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
Fin_NoLimit wins 240 with a pair of nines.
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Hand #4886375-6 at Shelby (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 13/Mar/05 22:24:13

Stack Morris is at seat 0 with 1490.
timmagic1963 is at seat 1 with 1720.
Fin_NoLimit is at seat 2 with 1350.
TommyW is at seat 3 with 1655.
toml_8 is at seat 4 with 1450.
dibbah is at seat 5 with 1335.
The button is at seat 4.

dibbah posts the small blind of 10.
Stack Morris posts the big blind of 20.

Stack Morris: -- --
timmagic1963: -- --
Fin_NoLimit: -- --
TommyW: -- --
toml_8: 2s As
dibbah: -- --

Pre-flop:

timmagic1963 folds. Fin_NoLimit calls. TommyW
folds. toml_8 calls. dibbah calls. Stack Morris
checks.

Flop (board: 6s Ac 3h):

dibbah checks. Stack Morris checks. Fin_NoLimit
bets 80. toml_8 calls. dibbah folds. Stack Morris
folds.

Turn (board: 6s Ac 3h Ks):

Fin_NoLimit bets 240. toml_8 calls.

River (board: 6s Ac 3h Ks Td):

Fin_NoLimit checks. toml_8 checks.



Showdown:

Fin_NoLimit shows Ah 7s.
Fin_NoLimit has Ah 7s Ac Ks Td: a pair of aces.
toml_8 mucks cards.
(toml_8 has 2s As.)


Hand #4886375-6 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
Fin_NoLimit wins 720 with a pair of aces.
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Hand #4886375-7 at Shelby (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 13/Mar/05 22:24:55

Stack Morris is at seat 0 with 1470.
timmagic1963 is at seat 1 with 1720.
Fin_NoLimit is at seat 2 with 1730.
TommyW is at seat 3 with 1655.
toml_8 is at seat 4 with 1110.
dibbah is at seat 5 with 1315.
The button is at seat 5.

Stack Morris posts the small blind of 10.
timmagic1963 posts the big blind of 20.

Stack Morris: -- --
timmagic1963: -- --
Fin_NoLimit: -- --
TommyW: -- --
toml_8: Kc Kd
dibbah: -- --

Pre-flop:

Fin_NoLimit folds. TommyW calls. toml_8 raises to
90. dibbah folds. Stack Morris folds.
timmagic1963 folds. TommyW calls.

Flop (board: Ac Qs 8d):

TommyW checks. toml_8 checks.

Turn (board: Ac Qs 8d 4c):

TommyW bets 210. toml_8 calls.

River (board: Ac Qs 8d 4c 8h):

TommyW bets 20. toml_8 raises to 200. TommyW calls.




Showdown:

toml_8 shows Kc Kd.
toml_8 has Kc Kd Ac 8d 8h: two pair, kings and eights.
TommyW shows Ad Qd.
TommyW has Ad Qd Ac Qs 8d: two pair, aces and queens.


Hand #4886375-7 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
TommyW wins 1030 with two pair, aces and queens.
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Hand #4886375-8 at Shelby (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 13/Mar/05 22:25:35

Stack Morris is at seat 0 with 1460.
timmagic1963 is at seat 1 with 1700.
Fin_NoLimit is at seat 2 with 1730.
TommyW is at seat 3 with 2185.
toml_8 is at seat 4 with 610.
dibbah is at seat 5 with 1315.
The button is at seat 0.

timmagic1963 posts the small blind of 10.
Fin_NoLimit posts the big blind of 20.

Stack Morris: -- --
timmagic1963: -- --
Fin_NoLimit: -- --
TommyW: -- --
toml_8: Kd Kc
dibbah: -- --

Pre-flop:

TommyW folds. toml_8 raises to 70. dibbah calls.
Stack Morris folds. timmagic1963 calls. Fin_NoLimit
folds.

Flop (board: 8d 9s 6d):

timmagic1963 checks. toml_8 checks. dibbah checks.


Turn (board: 8d 9s 6d Ah):

timmagic1963 checks. toml_8 checks. dibbah bets
230. timmagic1963 calls. toml_8 folds.

River (board: 8d 9s 6d Ah 3h):

timmagic1963 bets 100. dibbah calls.



Showdown:

timmagic1963 shows 8h 9d.
timmagic1963 has 8h 9d 8d 9s Ah: two pair, nines and eights.
dibbah mucks cards.
(dibbah has Ac Td.)


Hand #4886375-8 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
timmagic1963 wins 890 with two pair, nines and eights.
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Hand #4886375-9 at Shelby (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 13/Mar/05 22:26:13

Stack Morris is at seat 0 with 1460.
timmagic1963 is at seat 1 with 2190.
Fin_NoLimit is at seat 2 with 1710.
TommyW is at seat 3 with 2185.
toml_8 is at seat 4 with 540.
dibbah is at seat 5 with 915.
The button is at seat 1.

Fin_NoLimit posts the small blind of 10.
TommyW posts the big blind of 20.

Stack Morris: -- --
timmagic1963: -- --
Fin_NoLimit: -- --
TommyW: -- --
toml_8: Ah Kd
dibbah: -- --

Pre-flop:

toml_8 goes all-in for 540. dibbah folds. Stack
Morris folds. timmagic1963 calls. Fin_NoLimit
folds. TommyW folds.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

timmagic1963 shows 4h 4c.
toml_8 shows Ah Kd.


Flop (board: 5h 6h 4d):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 5h 6h 4d 8h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5h 6h 4d 8h 6d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

timmagic1963 has 4h 4c 6h 4d 6d: full house, fours full of sixes.
toml_8 has Ah Kd 6h 8h 6d: a pair of sixes.


Hand #4886375-9 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
timmagic1963 wins 1110 with full house, fours full of sixes.
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[zenbitz]

With A2s, A on the flop - you cannot call his bet. You must either assume he really has an ace (and hence out kicks you), or check by raising.

With the KK hands... I want to criticize, but you did well to not lose your whole stack. In both cases BET THE FLOP. The guy who flops top two pair is certainly going to re-raise you. Although if he is tricky, he might flat call with no draws on the board. With the rag turn, I think you have to lay it down. So, I would have played it differently, but the out come is probably the same, more or less.

You also MUST bet that draw heavy flop - you can't put the guy on 89 here. I think you got "lucky" with the A on the turn - gave you a lay down that would have been difficult if not impossible.

I also think you misplayed the final AKo. While you are short with 540, the blinds are really small, you could have seen a flop. In the end, you were a coinflip preflop - it could have been worse.

[aokrongly]

This is basically just agreeing with Zen, but repeating for emph-ass-is.

Both your Ax calls were loose. When the A hits you had to bet or check/raise. I go by Dan Harrington's advice, which is to make one bet post flop that "defines your position". If he's calling a raise, a decent bet or reraising you, then you've just defined your hand and can get out. If you think the Aces are good then you should be raising with them, if you don't then you should be folding with an ugly kicker.

You HAVE to bet those king post flop, with or without an A on board. With an ace you're defining your hand. You'll get a caller or raiser if they have it. With a draw on the board you have to bet it strong to take away drawing odds.

The AK late, don't go ai. It's a BAD move, especially when the blinds are minimal, like they were. Raise if you want or call if you want and look at the flop. You can bet them heavy after the flop even if they miss, but why not see before you committ all your chips? You'll only be called on that bet by a big pocket pair, which means you're behind. If everyone folds you get nothing of value. In this case a large stack called with a low pair. You were still behind.

The summary is you were way too active with Ax, too passive with KK, and AI against a hand that needs help (which AK needs against any pair) and small blinds wasn't the best way to play it.

Fold Ax. Just fold it. If you pair the A you've got kicker issues. If you're not going to fold it then learn how to bet it so that you can either win the pot right there or not throw good money after bad. When the blinds are small you may have to raise those kings a bit more to scare out the crap, get the call over 100 chips and people will thing twice about calling without a hand.

[Staple Gun]

Thank you for all the advice aokrongly and zenbits, I can definetly see how I misplayed those hands but in my defense the only reason I called with the Ax's was because they were suited, I never call with that stuff 10 handed unless its suited and cheap to play. The first hand I had my flush draw and played according to what I considered to be the implied odds. The second hand I should have realized that the suits didnt mean anyhing I'm not sure why I called after the flop. With AK I'm pretty sure i was just on tilt thats definetly my fault.

[iwa]

I often see flops with these s00ted cards, but lay them down on the flop unless you hit your draw, that 2 kicker is laydown material. With your kings, you need to bet them out on the flop, even if you dont have the ace. On the flop with the low cards, you should have been throwing out a good sized bet, a real good sized bet. You said it with the AK allin, tilt is a mean monster, don't let it in your head.

[Staple Gun]

I just read the first paragraph of DAVSIMON's Sit n go strategy and had I followed his advice I would not have seen the flop in the first 2 hands, I might have driven everyone out with my kings as well (he sugests a 10-15x raise I believe). And I definetly would have had more chips and not gone AI with my A-K. I am definetly going to follow DAVSIMON's advice in future sit'n'gos.

[iwa]

Seeing flops with good pot odds on hands with strong outs is recommended in my opinion. Be careful to not bleed out a ton of chips, but like when you completed on the first hand with axs, I think you had good odds.