Do you like this read?

[ihategnomes]

What do you think here. UTG and +1 limp, +1 UTG limper re-raise??? I have a very tight table image, I havent turned over anything marginal. UTG +1 is loose and aggressive preflop, tends to turn passive postflop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t29930)
UTG+1 (t18210)
MP1 (t24630)
MP2 (t8695)
MP3 (t13090)
CO (t5950)
Hero (t19490)
SB (t9090)
BB (t6388)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 calls t200, 4 folds, Hero raises to t800, 2 folds, UTG calls t600, UTG+1 raises to t18210, Hero calls t17410, UTG folds.

Flop: (t37520) T, 9, K (2 players)

Turn: (t37520) T (2 players)
River: (t37520) 6 (2 players)

Final Pot: t37520

[gabe]

if that guy had just gone all in, would you have called him? i dont see any other way you can play this. sucks that your hand ran into a monster (presumably...)

[Sed]

Usually a limp re-raise from UTG is AA,KK or a crackhead, but the second limper pushing after UTG calls your raise is a little odd weird... If UTG+1 is a thinking player it smells like a mid pair maybe 99/TT that was worried about UTG having a higher pair but when UTG just called that said that he had an AX so he pushed hoping to get heads up or take the enhanced pot straight out.

I would be very suprised if he had Aces or Kings...

- sed

[TylerK]

I'd be surprised if he DIDN'T have AA or KK. I drop this hand like it's hot UNLESS I have seen this player sending all his chips to the middle with less. I only call here if I've seen him make this exact play before. Otherwise I give him credit for having it this time. This play is clearly very read-dependent.

What's the buyin on the tournament? The lower the buyin the more likely your queens are good IMHO.

[ihategnomes]

It was a $5 rebuy. I honestly put him on a lower pair trying to punish my steal attempt. However, he had AKs and when he turned it over, I was like WTF????

[TylerK]

It was a $5 rebuy. I honestly put him on a lower pair trying to punish my steal attempt. However, he had AKs and when he turned it over, I was like WTF????

You know...this might actually not be a bad play by him. Thinking about it:
1. He knows UTG doesn't have a strong hand after the limp-call
2. Since you raised two limpers you have to have a fairly strong hand but not necessarily anything he's less than a slight underdog to.
3. He's going to be out of position for the rest of the hand.
4. He can rep AA or KK with the limp/reraise from EP.
So, why not just push now and try to take what's in the pot preflop at no further risk? At worst you call, but as far as he knows you could even call with a worse hand...people do strange things in that tournament.

I personally call and take a flop if I'm him, but I don't hate his play.

[BreakfastMan]

It was a $5 rebuy.

Was it still in the rebuy period?

[Sed]

You know...this might actually not be a bad play by him. Thinking about it:
1. He knows UTG doesn't have a strong hand after the limp-call
2. Since you raised two limpers you have to have a fairly strong hand but not necessarily anything he's less than a slight underdog to.
3. He's going to be out of position for the rest of the hand.
4. He can rep AA or KK with the limp/reraise from EP.
So, why not just push now and try to take what's in the pot preflop at no further risk? At worst you call, but as far as he knows you could even call with a worse hand...people do strange things in that tournament.

I personally call and take a flop if I'm him, but I don't hate his play.

I agree, It was a good play by UTG+1. Putting him on AA/KK seems unlikely to me UNLESS he could have expected with 90% certainty that his limp would get a late position raise by someone where he could re-raise. The push of almost 10x the pot seemed like a pot-buy to me. I woulda called thinking a lower pocket pair than yours but thinking over it again, AK was just as likely in this situation...

I suppose it should come down to how good your read was on him as a LAG and whether it is worth the risk at that point in the tourney.... Something I forget to do is consider your table image, had you been raising after limpers a lot and folding to re-raises? Is there any reason for him to suspect you raising light or would he know you have a decent hand?

That hand is a tough one, at least your read was close to correct and you were a coinflip and not overpaired. Tough break.

- sed

[ihategnomes]

It was a $5 rebuy.

Was it still in the rebuy period?

It was right after the rebuy period.

Some people just said call, shit happens, but there is a lot more going on in this hand like you stated Sed. I was more than sure he didn't hold AA or KK, limping AA or KK UTG is one thing, but doing it after another limper? UTG was a manaic, I could care less about his presence in the pot. He has been in about every pot that I had been in anyways I had a good sized stack, but I just dont think its a clear fold. My worse possible situation AK, but, he could have been on TT,JJ as well, maybe even lower PP assuming he had me on a steal. Some people dont care if you've been tight or loose, if you raise on the button, it looks like a blind steal.

[TylerK]

Some people just said call, shit happens, but there is a lot more going on in this hand like you stated Sed. I was more than sure he didn't hold AA or KK, limping AA or KK UTG is one thing, but doing it after another limper?

I'd do it. Especially in those games/at those tables where I'm expecting someone to try to pick up all the limps by pushing on the button or from the blinds.

I had a good sized stack, but I just dont think its a clear fold.

Given nothing more than the hand history, I think I lean strongly toward fold. Otherwise it's a judgement call.

My worse possible situation AK, but, he could have been on TT,JJ as well, maybe even lower PP assuming he had me on a steal. Some people dont care if you've been tight or loose, if you raise on the button, it looks like a blind steal.

Again, extremely read-dependent. I just don't see a limp-reraise all-in as a weak hand. I would really think that TT and JJ would either be open raising or limp-calling. It's an odd way to play AK for sure though.