KQs in middle position 5+1 sng

[vqc]

***** Hand History for Game 1778420495 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10631254) - Wed Mar 23 00:27:12 EST 2005
Table Table 12513 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: jvs49964 (695)
Seat 3: mtstukel (890)
Seat 4: tiger5181125 (1255)
Seat 5: BabyChamp469 (2040)
Seat 6: YoungMoney (120)
Seat 7: rncaliboom (885)
Seat 8: khlim305 (600)
Seat 9: JohnJacks (845)
Seat 10: dilantin (670)
JohnJacks posts small blind (15)
dilantin posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BabyChamp469 [ Kd, Qd ]
mtstukel calls (30)
BabyChamp469 raises (120) to 120
mtstukel calls (90)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, Js, 5h ]
mtstukel checks.
BabyChamp469 bets (150)
mtstukel calls (150)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9d ]
mtstukel checks.
BabyChamp469 ???????????????

[Penneywize]

Well, you're on a crappy draw, made worse by the fact that there is a strong possibility that your opponent is on a spade draw- So, you could very well be drawing to the second best hand. This also means that the 10 of spades is NOT an out for you.

The only thing you've got going for you is the size of your stack. While you may be on a horrible draw, your opponent has no way of knowing that. Based on your flop bet, he should be thinking you had a pair of aces w/ crappy kicker or a pair of jacks. Now, since we're assuming your opponent is on a spade draw, I believe the correct move would be to put out a decent-sized bet, large enough to diminish pot odds on a flush draw, but not large enough to require an immediate all-in reraise in case your opponent does have a hand already. After all, he DID raise pre-flop, so you can never be entirely sure.

Bet about 300. Just my 2c.

[ihategnomes]

After all, he DID raise pre-flop

Bet about 300. Just my 2c.

We were the aggressor, as he limped in front of us. If the flush is the read, take a stab on the turn. There are a probably a few other hands he could just call down, maybe a jack or a an ace/rag or a smaller pocket pair, he just open limped. We dont have a read, or none was posted, so its hard to imagine what they could be on. Also its good to know how you have played the last few orbits, its amazing how players, even bad ones, are more willing to be in a pot with you if they think your loose. Playing your image and theirs combined with a read of the open-limp then flat called flop, etc, is really the best means of deciding what to do. If you wanna be more weak tight, check behind and figure it out on the river. If you decide to 3/4 bet the turn, drop it if he re-reraises under most conditions, if he calls again, then checks on the river, just check behind without reads. Another more conservative approach could be, you have the chip lead, so dont worry about pushing smallish edges / bluffs so you don't slowly leak your chips away. It all really depends on what style you play.

[vqc]

this is how it ended up going down

BabyChamp469 bets (240)
mtstukel folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 825
Board: [ As Js 5h 9d ]


nice play penneywize, good call on the 300 bet

im very very very very very tight.
when I have the big stack, I tend to play the smaller edges just becuase I know that I have the chips to do it.
Thats probably not a good idea is it? Especially since I can into the money?

[BeatMeBad]

Hey gnomes, bitter much?

[ihategnomes]

im very very very very very tight.
when I have the big stack, I tend to play the smaller edges just becuase I know that I have the chips to do it.
Thats probably not a good idea is it? Especially since I can into the money?

Bah, ITM's are not as important as 1 places

Personally, I am generally very tight until I get to 6handed play, then, I start to play poker, pretty much ignoring what my cards are for the most part.

Hey gnomes, bitter much?

Bah...

[poskid_1982]

im very very very very very tight.
when I have the big stack, I tend to play the smaller edges just becuase I know that I have the chips to do it.
Thats probably not a good idea is it? Especially since I can into the money?

If this is the way you like to play I would suggest not playing SNG's...Ring games are going to be more profitable for you in the end.

If you wish to play well and win in SNG's, learn to step out of the box a little. Playing with scared money as a big stack is going to kill you against a player who can read into your weakness.

[vqc]

the post was intended as two seperate parts

the first being that my general style is "tight is right"

the second part was more of a question pertaining to whether or not it was correct to push smaller edges when I have the big stack.

I think that the original HH was a good example of pushing people around when I have the chips to do so, dont you? =D

[poskid_1982]

Your play was excellent on that hand...I was just pointing out the fact that afterwards you question a winning play. Even if you aren't big stack pushing little edges will take down pots. Read into weakness...Most players will fold to a bet after a preflop raise. Untill they show willingness to defend themselves think of their chips as yours.

[vqc]

Your play was excellent on that hand...I was just pointing out the fact that afterwards you question a winning play. Even if you aren't big stack pushing little edges will take down pots. Read into weakness...Most players will fold to a bet after a preflop raise. Untill they show willingness to defend themselves think of their chips as yours.

Gotcha, Thank You.