Two hands of the night.

[guitarhero14]

guess it doesnt show but UTG and SB are all-in during this hand.

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Hero ($4.84)
UTG ($1.85)
UTG+1 ($3.90)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($4.23)
CO ($2.34)
Button ($1.17)
SB ($0.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. MP1 posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.5, Hero calls $0.48, UTG raises to $1.85, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1.35.

Flop: ($4.24) 9, 6, 8 (3 players)

Turn: ($4.24) 8 (3 players)

River: ($4.24) 4 (3 players)

Final Pot: $4.24

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
UTG has Kh Td (one pair, eights).
SB has 7s Qc (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $4.24.
UTG said: "u suck cheater"


bad play?

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Hero ($7.03)
SB ($3.90)
BB ($1.98)
UTG ($4.21)
MP ($2.34)
CO ($1.17)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 9.
2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, SB completes, BB raises to $0.04, MP calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, SB folds.

Flop: ($0.12) J, A, 9 (3 players)
BB bets $0.06, MP folds, Hero calls $0.06.

Turn: ($0.24) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02.

River: ($0.28) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.5, BB calls $0.48.

Final Pot: $1.28

[Fnord]

In hand 2 I raise every street HARD.

[DoGGz]

You called allins with KK preflop. How are you even questioning yourself? I'm guessing you lost, but you never fold KK preflop

[guitarhero14]

You called allins with KK preflop. How are you even questioning yourself? I'm guessing you lost, but you never fold KK preflop

ya definetly not questioning my play there, but i just edited for the results. Nothing special but I had to laugh.

[wobbler]

In the first hand: why did you just call SB's raise, instead of reraising? Were you hoping to get someone else into the pot?

[guitarhero14]

In the first hand: why did you just call SB's raise, instead of reraising? Were you hoping to get someone else into the pot?

the table has been very loose for about a good hour and a half, my thoughts were that if I dont raise I may get a few more people in. I wasnt really afraid of adding a few more people into the pot because of all the crap they were playing, but i guess this may be wrong to do.

[wobbler]

I wasn't questioning, just wondering
You don't want too many in the pot because they'll have too many combined outs against you.

[Admerylous]

In hand 2 I raise every street HARD.

Why is this?
If he catches his flush it won't be expected (on the flop?) so that he doesn't wave warning flush flags when he bets when he hits it?

I personally agree with the call and not repping the flush when it drops. Then again, I am not a limit player.

[Fnord]

Why is this?
If he catches his flush it won't be expected (on the flop?) so that he doesn't wave warning flush flags when he bets when he hits it?

I personally agree with the call and not repping the flush when it drops. Then again, I am not a limit player.

Deception is wasted on poor opponents who will often pay you off anway. Build the pot and before they know it they're calling a big river value bet with the 2nd best hand.

[Admerylous]

Do you say deception is wasted due to the limits he is playing at or in general?

Also, on the flop I would have to assume I was behind in the hand so you're also building the pot before even you know they have the second best hand.

[Element187]

you heard the man:

UTG said: "u suck cheater"


i think that translates into "nh"

[JeffreyGB]

Do you say deception is wasted due to the limits he is playing at or in general?

Also, on the flop I would have to assume I was behind in the hand so you're also building the pot before even you know they have the second best hand.

Deception at these stakes is wasted - not in general. Then again, you have to get to the point of dealing with some pretty decent players before it makes a big difference. I'm certainly not there yet. The argument could be made that reraising the flop is more deceptive than check/calling the flop and the turn.

There's nothing about the tiny bet made that makes me think Hero was definitively behind in the hand. Yes, it's half the pot, but with such a small pot, that could easily be a feeler/continuation bet. Given the river call, I assume that the opp did hold an ace. Still, a decent reraise on the flop may have won it then and certainly would have led to a bigger pot. Further, you reraise on the flop and the flush card doesn't come. He's likely to check the turn, saving you what could be a more costly bet on the turn.

Betting the turn when calling the flop is the only play I don't like here, since it does blatantly advertise "I have the flush." Even micro-fish might be able to read that neon.


In the KK hand, the only thing I don't like is the absence of a reraise preflop. No biggy though, but as mentioned above, you usually don't want a lot of callers with a big pocket pair. 2 is acceptable. 1 calling for his whole stack is ideal.

[guitarhero14]

Thanks for all the replys.

Fnord: Right now I am having trouble betting "HARD" when I am only on a draw. How hard is hard, how much should I bet the flop?

[JeffreyGB]

You weren't "only on a draw".

You had a ton of outs, even assuming he had top pair. 3 Qs, 3 9s, T/8 or T/K (together worth maybe 1), and another 9 spades on top of that. 16 outs and the possibility that he's just continuation betting makes reraising here a strong play.

Edit: for some reason I miscounted the spades as 7 for a total of 14...fixed.

[guitarhero14]

You weren't "only on a draw".

You had a ton of outs, even assuming he had top pair. 3 Qs, 3 9s, T/8 or T/K (together worth maybe 1), and another 7 spades on top of that. 14 outs and the possibility that he's just continuation betting makes reraising here a strong play.

I forgot about the 9 I had, I really do need to be more aggressive. Limit is still in my blood.

[whileone]

Thanks for all the replys.

Fnord: Right now I am having trouble betting "HARD" when I am only on a draw. How hard is hard, how much should I bet the flop?

bet 1/2 to the pot. if you hit, you can put him all in, and he WILL call. putting in that 20 cents seems to pot commit folks for thier whole stack.

Think about how you can take thier whole stack rather than just a few bets... When do you use your stack? I lost mine after heavy action at that level. keep the pressure on, you it's worth 20c, which looks like a big intimidating bet at that level, to win thier $2-$5. if you miss, let it go on the river. you can't bluff the unbluffable, but they will pay you off.