Bad push with PP? (again)

[Pingviini]

This kind of play busted me out of 3 MTTs yesterday . I found myself a little short stacked and wanted to get the chips without a fight, or I was looking for a flip. Too bad I dont have HHs from bodog but this is a good example IMO as well.

As I think of this now, if I woulda used a bit more time to think about this I probably would have just folded this, calling doesnt seem an option here or what do you think?

PokerStars Game #1632591201: Tournament #7525004, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/05/03 - 20:30:25 (ET)
Table '7525004 8' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Ufearme44 (2555 in chips)
Seat 2: jeffbeesdat (1695 in chips)
Seat 3: ledzep6028 (6810 in chips)
Seat 4: DMETALFEEN (975 in chips)
Seat 5: DaMouse (1865 in chips)
Seat 6: Tomdabomb711 (3825 in chips)
Seat 7: Chino88 (2515 in chips)
Seat 8: pohillbilly (5590 in chips)
Seat 9: Pingviini (970 in chips)
pohillbilly: posts small blind 50
Pingviini: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pingviini [9h 9d]
Ufearme44: calls 100
jeffbeesdat: folds
ledzep6028: raises 300 to 400
DMETALFEEN: folds
DaMouse: folds
Tomdabomb711: folds
Chino88: folds
pohillbilly: calls 350
Pingviini: raises 570 to 970 and is all-in
Ufearme44: folds
ledzep6028: raises 5840 to 6810 and is all-in
pohillbilly: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 5c 6c]
*** TURN *** [3h 5c 6c] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [3h 5c 6c 8c] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pingviini: shows [9h 9d] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
ledzep6028: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
ledzep6028 collected 2440 from pot
Ufearme44 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2440 | Rake 0
Board [3h 5c 6c 8c 5s]
Seat 1: Ufearme44 folded before Flop
Seat 2: jeffbeesdat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ledzep6028 showed [Ks Kh] and won (2440) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 4: DMETALFEEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DaMouse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Tomdabomb711 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Chino88 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pohillbilly (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Pingviini (big blind) showed [9h 9d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fives

[DavSimon]

Pretty short stacked sitting in the BB with pocket 9s....and the blinds at 50/100....you are going to have to win several hands to go any further. A 4x raise from the big stack just looks like he is leaning on you - I push here as well....the play was fine, you simply ran into a larger PP.....ooops

[arkana]

I think you made the right play, you were pretty short stacked and by reraising all in you sandwiched ledzep who had to either fold there or reraise strongly to protect a good hand because the third player still had to act behind him. Unfortunately for you he had a very strong hand but there is no way you could have put either one of them on such a strong hand. From my experience when you do the raise all in you normally end up against one player (which is what you would hope to do with a pair of 9s) because the second guy normally folds or reraises to isolate (because of the sandwich effect).

[JeffreyGB]

If not for the call between you and big stack, I like the play. Given that there was an extra caller, I'm a bit iffier. You know at least one of them has a good hand. Could be looking at another PP, in which case it's about 50-50 for if their the 80% favorite or you are. Could be looking at two overs, in which case it's just a coin flop. Since there are two callers, there's a decent chance you're looking at both, meaning that at best you're .55*.8 = .44 => 44% underdog to win. At worst, you're looking at .2 * .2 = 4% to win. More than likely, you're somewhere in between.

Sure, you're short stack, but you're not that hurting yet. With no caller, I push. In earlier position/facing no raise, I push. With a raise and a caller, I think you can find a better spot. You've got around 60 hands to try anyway.

[Theeggman]

I was in this situation last night except I held 77. I was just waiting for a spot to push because the cards had not been good for me. My thinking was that if my stack got any smaller then my all-in would mean nothing to a big stack and I'd get called. I was looking to blind steal if I could so I had to push with 77 in MP (but got two callers with overcards & lost to AQo). As far as calling a raise with this hand, I'm 50/50. Raiser is the big stack so it is suspicious but in ep I'm thinking he might just have a hand. I think if you are going to play you've gotta push like you did. Too bad it wasn't just overcards.

[hazelblue]

Thanks for the post. That helps me, too.
These guys are right. That extra caller made things a bit tricky.
But it was a good play. I had that happen to me, too, so don't feel bad.