bothersome fold..

[hazelblue]

I had pocket sixes on the button. two limpers plus one min-raiser.
I raised to 6bb (level 2, 15/30) and had one limper re-raise all-in to about 3000. I ended up folding my hand, with one big stack calling his all-in.
Much to my dismay, I found I would've flopped trips, and caught a runner for a boat.
This guy was raising all-in with AQo.

The guy that called his all-in had A9o.

Was my fold a good fold or should I have been willing to risk a coin-flip early in the tourney?

[vqc]

bad preflop play

you want to see the flop for cheap with pocket 6s. Hit the set or get out. No preflop raising with the 66.

[hazelblue]

At a table where everyone was raising with garbage and doing blind steals, (at the first level, mind you).I did what I felt was ncessary.
I folded my 66 as soon as that guy went all-in.
I just wanted to know if this was a bad thing for me to do.

[Sed]

good fold. save the flips for when you are short stacked or trying to bust a short stack.

I agree with vqchuang though, limping might have let you get into a multi-way pot that only cost you 60 chips to see the flop instead of getting pushed into. Depends on the table though, I wasn't there.

- sed

[vqc]

Im just saying that by doing this early on in an SNG, especially the first level, is a leak, and you are losing chips that you do nneed to lose. Period.

No it is not a bad hting for you to do, to fold 66 to an all in. Easy fold in hte first round.

[hazelblue]

It would have been a multiway anyhow even if I didn't raise.
There was this one guy who was being the table bully and everyone was raising on any and everything.
I ended up busting out of the freeroll because I got moved to a table where other big stacks were calling everyone's bet.

I went all-in on AKo pre-flop and someone with JQo won because they flopped top two pair. I had a gutshot that never came.
It was a last-stand type deal. I had 10bb (50/100). I had to do something.

Ah well.
At least I've learned (or you guys confirmed) how to play low pocket pairs from any position.
Thanks. ( :

[Schmitty]

Imagine if you just called instead of raising and wouldve got to see a flop. Chances are you would have got paid off. Your set would be well disguised and if the other players are semi-loose like they seem to be, you definitely would have made some chips.

[BreakfastMan]

The fold was correct in your situation, but as everyone else has said, the re-raise was a mistake. Your thinking before any re-raise, should be "if I get reraised again will I like my hand enough to continue." In this case the answer was "no" so you should not have re-raised. As others have said, with small pairs you want to see the flop cheap. Sometimes you will call a raise if the raiser has enough chips to make it worth the risk and you believe no one will re-raise behind you.

[arkana]

When you make a raise try to think of what you are trying to achieve. Can i get them to fold and win the pot preflop? Do I want to raise to take control of the hand? If not, do i want to build a big pot with just a pair of sixes or do I want to wait till I hit my set to start building the pot? Dont just raise because you have a good hand, raise because you want to achieve something.

[arkana]

What I was trying to say is if you are playing with a bunch of idiots who just focus on their own cards raising preflop just builds a bigger pot cause they are going to call you anyway. With a low pp you want to hit your set because thats probably the only way you are going to win the hand. So why not wait till you hit the set before you put more of your own chips in the pot.

[drmcboy]

Everything above it right on, so let me mention this:

Much to my dismay, I found I would've flopped trips, and caught a runner for a boat.

Just stop doing this to yourself. If you make the right play, worry not about what the board would have brought, it will just make you more likely to make the wrong play next time.

[vqc]

Or everyime the flop misses, you could say to urself. WOW GOOD FOLD!!!! That more than makes up for hte , DAMN, QUADS!!!!!!

[hazelblue]

I raised pre-flop because there were two limpers with one min-raise. I wanted to isolate them and end the hand right there.
Unfortunately, it triggered an all-in by someone who was out of position and was tired of the big stack trying to blind steal.

I wished I could've seen the flop, but I know better than to call someone's all in with low pocket pair.

Well, there's always next time...;p

[bdawg56kg]

I raised pre-flop because there were two limpers with one min-raise. I wanted to isolate them and end the hand right there.
Unfortunately, it triggered an all-in by someone who was out of position and was tired of the big stack trying to blind steal.

I wished I could've seen the flop, but I know better than to call someone's all in with low pocket pair.

Well, there's always next time...;p

Why do you want to isolate with 66 early in a tourney? Either a) you raise and everyone folds, thereby winning a few big blinds which are practically insignificant at this point, b) you raise and get called, then when the flop comes with 2 or 3 overs, you are in a predicament and must hope that your continuation bet takes the pot down, or c) you get reraised and are forced to fold, missing a chance to hit your set and potentially double up.

Basically early in a tourney you want to see flops for cheap with suited connectors and low pocket pairs, and you want as many people in the pot with you, so in the case where you hit your set/flush/straight/draw, you will likely get paid off by someone with a strong hand like 2pr or TPTK. In the later stages of a tourney though it is a different story. Here's an example to illustrate. This is the 11th hand of a Sng.

*********** # 11 **************
PokerStars Game #1593728155: Tournament #7384327, Hold'em No Limit - Level II
(15/30) - 2005/04/27 - 02:09:32 (ET)
Table '7384327 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jcl4844 (1705 in chips)
Seat 2: bdawg56kg (1445 in chips)
Seat 3: UDub9 (1700 in chips)
Seat 4: hams421 (1550 in chips)
Seat 5: afitting (1655 in chips)
Seat 6: IM1RU2 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: lukerenfroe (1140 in chips)
Seat 8: KapSig 327 (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: dabasir (1395 in chips)
UDub9: posts small blind 15
hams421: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bdawg56kg [3s 3c]
afitting: calls 30
IM1RU2: folds
lukerenfroe: calls 30
KapSig 327: folds
dabasir: calls 30
jcl4844: calls 30
bdawg56kg: calls 30
UDub9: folds
hams421: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d As 8h]
hams421: checks
afitting: checks
lukerenfroe: bets 60
dabasir: calls 60
jcl4844: folds
bdawg56kg: calls 60
hams421: folds
afitting: folds
*** TURN *** [3d As 8h] [Kd]
lukerenfroe: bets 120
dabasir: calls 120
bdawg56kg: calls 120
*** RIVER *** [3d As 8h Kd] [6c]
lukerenfroe: bets 120
dabasir: calls 120
bdawg56kg: raises 1115 to 1235 and is all-in
lukerenfroe: calls 810 and is all-in
dabasir: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bdawg56kg: shows [3s 3c] (three of a kind, Threes)
lukerenfroe: shows [Ah 3h] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
bdawg56kg collected 2715 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2715 | Rake 0
Board [3d As 8h Kd 6c]
Seat 1: jcl4844 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: bdawg56kg (button) showed [3s 3c] and won (2715) with three of a kind,
Threes
Seat 3: UDub9 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: hams421 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: afitting folded on the Flop
Seat 6: IM1RU2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: lukerenfroe showed [Ah 3h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 8: KapSig 327 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dabasir folded on the River

If I raised preflop from the button to isolate, I might've got Mr. A3s to fold, and therefore wouldn't have gotten paid off when my set came, and missing a precious chance to double up early. Hope this helps.

[hazelblue]

I've moved beyond this hand.

Looking back on it, raising may have been a questionable move.
Based on my reads at the table, there was a person going all-in at least once per hand.
If I hadn't had a min-raise before me, I would've just limped. However, someone still would've gone all-in and I probably would've folded the hand.

Thanks for the posts.