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  1. #1

    Default I hate decisions like these

    Both were tight players. The first guy going all-in wasn't totally unexpected, but when the next dude called, I knew I didn't have the best hand, but I felt compelled to call.

    Was there any way to fold this hand?

    PokerStars Game #1571918723: Tournament #7268357, Hold'em No Limit -
    Level VI (100/200) - 2005/04/23 - 14:31:01 (ET)
    Table '7268357 1' Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: SSD-OK (1615 in chips)
    Seat 4: JMS1979 (3520 in chips)
    Seat 6: ngericl (8365 in chips)
    ngericl: posts small blind 100
    SSD-OK: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ngericl [6s 6c]
    JMS1979: calls 200
    ngericl: raises 400 to 600
    SSD-OK: raises 1015 to 1615 and is all-in
    JMS1979: calls 1415
    ngericl: calls 1015
    *** FLOP *** [9s Jh 2h]
    ngericl: checks
    JMS1979: checks
    *** TURN *** [9s Jh 2h] [2d]
    ngericl: checks
    JMS1979: checks
    *** RIVER *** [9s Jh 2h 2d] [Th]
    ngericl: checks
    JMS1979: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    results in white
    ngericl: shows [6s 6c] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
    SSD-OK: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
    JMS1979: mucks hand
    SSD-OK collected 4845 from pot
    ningster

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  2. #2
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    That hand is an easy fold. Even assuming neither of them had a higher pair you would have been in bad shape anyways with so many cards that can take you out. If they had AK and AQ your chances of winning are well below 50% ... and that is best case scenario.
  3. #3
    Low PP might be easier to play for a reasonable raise, but when two people are going All In right before you, you should pick up on a read saying that they have you beat or rather, they will have you beat. The only real "guarantee" in winning that hand is to hit one of two cards. Other than that you have 7-A to worry about plus another PP.
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  5. #5
    Since you are the big stack I would call this with AK or a PP (JJ)QQ-AA. Probably not with anything less. calling this with 66 is just a waste of chips IMO.
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    JMS1979 (3520 in chips)

    This is the scary thing here - you're getting about 4-1 on pre flop on your money which is nice, although honestly I think 9/10 times you're more than a 4-1 dog here (especially since you said they were tight). But this isn't the end of the action - what would you have done if he had bet at any point? I guess you were calling hoping for a super low rag flop... but then if he's got a PP you're really in trouble, because he'll either have a higher one and like the flop too, or have a lower one and has made a set.

    They are both tight, let one of them have your 600 chips, you'll have them back in the first couple rounds heads up!
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    JMS1979 (3520 in chips)

    This is the scary thing here - you're getting about 4-1 on pre flop on your money which is nice, although honestly I think 9/10 times you're more than a 4-1 dog here (especially since you said they were tight). But this isn't the end of the action - what would you have done if he had bet at any point? I guess you were calling hoping for a super low rag flop... but then if he's got a PP you're really in trouble, because he'll either have a higher one and like the flop too, or have a lower one and has made a set.

    They are both tight, let one of them have your 600 chips, you'll have them back in the first couple rounds heads up!
    With all the chips in the middle, that's why I felt I had to call, making it a gambling hand. With the cards that came out, if the guy made any bet, I would've cut bait.
    ningster

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    can't....stop....looking....at....picture....
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Resources
    can't....stop....looking....at....picture....

    yes....must look away....
  10. #10
    'The pot is big' is not a good reason to call when you have to believe you are dominated or about to try and beat 3-4 overs with one pair. If you want to gamble, set the guy AI. He either has a huge hand he's trying to suck you in with or he'll lay it down.

    what did JM have BTW?
  11. #11
    The raise preflop with your pocket sixes were good. But going all in with them when you faced a re-raise like that probably wasn't the best to do.

    You did have the right read, though.
    Those low pocket pairs aren't really worth calling an all-in on unless there's short stacks.
    At least, that's my opinion.
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    what did JM have BTW?
    AQo.
    ningster

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  13. #13
    Here's my 2 cents.

    1615 x 3 = 4845

    1615 x 2 = 3230

    add both these totals to your raise of 600

    5445 and 3830 respectively. Now with a low PP I think that I would rather let them cripple each other for 3830 in chips and keep my massive stack lead than give them a triple up and end up with a 1-2K chip lead. Fold and let them battle it out.
    Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.

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