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  1. #1

    Default scared shitless hitting that raise button....

    Katte-M is a very solid player, and I respect his bets. And he knows this. mutabor... he seems aware, tight, solid for the most part.

    I figured I had fold equity with this raise (obviously).

    PokerStars Game #1650160731: Tournament #7525162, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/05/06 - 22:05:40 (ET)
    Table '7525162 87' Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: mutabor (13705 in chips)
    Seat 2: WINK21 (17320 in chips)
    Seat 3: Katte-M (8205 in chips)
    Seat 4: Hey-Boy (11495 in chips)
    Seat 5: FearlessPhil (8165 in chips)
    Seat 6: Pottie (5240 in chips)
    Seat 7: nkperson (12555 in chips)
    Seat 8: JJackhammer (7210 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: mr.naxx (1530 in chips)
    mutabor: posts small blind 100
    WINK21: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nkperson [Jh Qh]
    Katte-M: raises 400 to 600
    Hey-Boy: folds
    FearlessPhil: folds
    Pottie: folds
    nkperson: calls 600
    JJackhammer: folds
    mr.naxx: folds
    mutabor: calls 500
    WINK21: folds
    *** FLOP *** [7s 5c 5h]
    mutabor: checks
    Katte-M: bets 1800
    nkperson: raises 2200 to 4000
    mutabor said, "wtf"
    mutabor: folds
    Katte-M: folds
    nkperson collected 5600 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5600 | Rake 0
    Board [7s 5c 5h]
    Seat 1: mutabor (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: WINK21 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Katte-M folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: Hey-Boy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: FearlessPhil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Pottie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: nkperson collected (5600)
    Seat 8: JJackhammer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: mr.naxx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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  2. #2
    not that it mattered... just a few hands later:

    PokerStars Game #1650226731: Tournament #7525162, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/05/06 - 22:15:39 (ET)
    Table '7525162 87' Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: mutabor (12805 in chips)
    Seat 2: WINK21 (15120 in chips)
    Seat 3: Katte-M (13355 in chips)
    Seat 4: Hey-Boy (12795 in chips)
    Seat 5: FearlessPhil (8665 in chips)
    Seat 6: Pottie (1815 in chips)
    Seat 7: nkperson (13055 in chips)
    Seat 8: JJackhammer (6485 in chips)
    Seat 9: mr.naxx (1330 in chips)
    mutabor: posts the ante 25
    WINK21: posts the ante 25
    Katte-M: posts the ante 25
    Hey-Boy: posts the ante 25
    FearlessPhil: posts the ante 25
    Pottie: posts the ante 25
    nkperson: posts the ante 25
    JJackhammer: posts the ante 25
    mr.naxx: posts the ante 25
    WINK21: posts small blind 100
    Katte-M: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nkperson [Jd Jh]
    Hey-Boy: calls 200
    FearlessPhil: folds
    Pottie: folds
    nkperson: raises 400 to 600
    JJackhammer: folds
    mr.naxx: folds
    mutabor: folds
    WINK21: folds
    Katte-M: folds
    Hey-Boy: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Th 2c 5c]
    Hey-Boy: bets 400
    nkperson: raises 12030 to 12430 and is all-in
    Hey-Boy: calls 11770 and is all-in
    *** TURN *** [Th 2c 5c] [Jc]
    nkperson said, "pair"
    *** RIVER *** [Th 2c 5c Jc] [Ks]
    nkperson said, "pair"
    nkperson said, "ugh"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hey-Boy: shows [8c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
    nkperson: shows [Jd Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
    Hey-Boy collected 26065 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 26065 | Rake 0
    Board [Th 2c 5c Jc Ks]
    Seat 1: mutabor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: WINK21 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Katte-M (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Hey-Boy showed [8c Ac] and won (26065) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 5: FearlessPhil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Pottie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: nkperson showed [Jd Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
    Seat 8: JJackhammer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: mr.naxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    two hands later I'm out. I did want a call there though, so, what're you going to do.
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  3. #3
    why did you push on the flop with JJ? that seems pretty silly. why not raise to 1200? Also, why did you call a 3x raise with QJs? I dont know, you are easily dominated. On the flop, either he missed or he has a nice PP, theres a decent chance that he would call you with a overpair, why risk it? Just seems a bit silly. However if you really put him on unpaired overcards, good move, but still you where 3 handed at the flop, if it was heads up maybe I would agree with the play.
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    The first hand had good results but boost is right, that was quite risky. You didn't even have a draw or anything, you'll have to fold if he rereraises you. But your read was spot on apparently so great jorb.

    The second hand is tough because I'm not sure what happens if you reraise his flop bet to 1200-1600. If neither of you fold before the turn, it's gonna be really hard to lay down that set. You did make his drawing odds terrible, I wouldn't want to risk the tournament on a flush draw (although I have... .
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by boostNslide
    why did you push on the flop with JJ? that seems pretty silly. why not raise to 1200? Also, why did you call a 3x raise with QJs? I dont know, you are easily dominated. On the flop, either he missed or he has a nice PP, theres a decent chance that he would call you with a overpair, why risk it? Just seems a bit silly. However if you really put him on unpaired overcards, good move, but still you where 3 handed at the flop, if it was heads up maybe I would agree with the play.
    with the first hand, yeah, I agree, I could easily have been dominated. I had actually laid down KQs from the SB when he raised it before, same with AJ, figuring I was dominated (the first one he showed AKs, and the second one some poor sap went all-in with AT and learned the hardway). So why call? 1) I wasn't as sure he had me dominated. I'm not sure why, but it was almost an insta-call. To be sure, i would have been concerned about my kicker if an Q or J fell, and would have been out of there really quick if a AK came. 2) I had position on him (learning the importance of position is key!)

    The flop play was purely playing the player. It came down rags, but he bet out first repping a strong hand. I put him on a non-pair, figured he hadn't caught, and I knew that he was a good enough player to fold when he thought he was beat, especially since I had been showing his bets a lot of respect, I imagine he thought I wouldn't push back unless I had the goods. I also thought the other player was smart enough to get out of the way with that much aggression, unless he had a high PP or a 5. I was pretty sure I had enough fold equity for that play to be profitable against those players.

    The second play was partially for table image, but also for a nice spot to double up (I would have been chip leader! -- And then I *really* could have started to play some poker ). Hey-Boy wasn't nearly as good of a player as the people in the last hand. After he bet out on the flop, I put him on Tx (AT maybe). trips didn't scare me as he would probably have tried to slow play it. Perhaps I didn't consider the flushdraw enough, but he at least seemed competent enough to know about pot-odds. Worst case, I thought, was ATc. But I also didn't want to give any cheap draws (1200 would have at least implied odds... though I may have been able to get out of cheaply if it did hit). I thought when I came back over the top of him, he would fold, and my table image would go to that of being just a bit more unpredictable than I was being for most of the game. At least I got my chips in with the best of it.
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  6. #6
    Tough deal on the second hand, but I think your raise was too big, it looks like a steal or like you're on the draw yourself, but still this guy made a pretty bad play.

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