inevitable disaster or user error?

[homerdash]

$3 freeze... I've been looking at it for like 15 mins, I think I fell in love with my hand, what do you think?

PokerStars Game #1754437648: Tournament #8152971, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/05/23 - 19:55:17 (ET)
Table '8152971 72' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Cruisin7 (2785 in chips)
Seat 2: jamesaaaa (7777 in chips)
Seat 3: SilentET (6220 in chips)
Seat 4: sirthomas455 (3455 in chips)
Seat 5: fuzzychin (180 in chips)
Seat 6: homerdash (4660 in chips)
Seat 7: tinman4ac (2390 in chips)
Seat 8: XxElitexX (6490 in chips)
Seat 9: By The Ocean (895 in chips) is sitting out
By The Ocean: posts small blind 50
Cruisin7: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to homerdash [Ah Ac]
jamesaaaa said, "ty"
jamesaaaa: calls 100
SilentET: calls 100
sirthomas455: folds
fuzzychin: folds
homerdash: raises 300 to 400
tinman4ac: folds
XxElitexX: folds
By The Ocean: folds
Cruisin7: folds
jamesaaaa: calls 300
SilentET: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Ks 7c 4h]
jamesaaaa: checks
SilentET: checks
homerdash: bets 600
jamesaaaa: folds
SilentET: calls 600
*** TURN *** [Ks 7c 4h] [8s]
SilentET: checks
homerdash: bets 1200
SilentET: raises 1200 to 2400
homerdash: raises 1260 to 3660 and is all-in
SilentET: calls 1260
*** RIVER *** [Ks 7c 4h 8s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SilentET: shows [Kh Kd] (three of a kind, Kings)
homerdash: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
SilentET collected 9870 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9870 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 7c 4h 8s 5c]
Seat 1: Cruisin7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jamesaaaa folded on the Flop
Seat 3: SilentET showed [Kh Kd] and won (9870) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: sirthomas455 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: fuzzychin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: homerdash showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: tinman4ac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: XxElitexX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: By The Ocean (small blind) folded before Flop

[vqc]

meh, im not sure you put him on the pair of Kings. Most people would have reraised you preflop. But he reraises ytou on the turn. Id slooowww down and htink about it. I mean yes you have lost over half your stack in one hand, but are u willing to lose ur tournament life?

I dont think he reraises you on the turn with less than 2 pair. The thing is, there is nothing he would play preflop that would get him 2 pair on a board like this.

I wouldnt be too sure that the 8 helped him on the turn becuase with a preflop raise and a K out there, he wouldnt have called 2/3 the pot with a pair of 8s.

AK could have played the hand this way. Call the raise, call the flop, and then raise the turn. Although I would think that he woudl probably reraise the flop just to figure out where he was in the hand.

This hand is a toughie. I think its a toss up between AK and a set. But with the play, Id say a set is more possible (although the odds are against it). My question is, in previous hands, did you see him call 3xBB preflop raises with med pocket pairs? If you have, Id be very wary of the 777 right now.

[homerdash]

No reads, I had just gotten moved from the kiddie table to here. I'd been there for only 4-5 hands before this one.

[vqc]

DO you think people are more likely to take this line with AK or a set?

[Bezique]

I think his actually having Ks was unfortunate, I'd fully expect anyone with them to raise back at you preflop.

That aside, people are in the habit of giving too much respect to As and there was nothing to stop him having 7s or 4s. You did just have a pair after all.

Once a safe flop had come down, I'd suggest that you ought to have bet harder to take what you'd (normally have) won. Now in this harsh instance he'd no doubt have been all in back at you. It would have been a hard disipline but at that point you would need to remind yourself that there are trip 4s and 7s and (possibly) 2 pairs (if he's a bad player he might have been in with K7).

Even so he got lucky, he slow played Ks and caught an ideal flop, difficult for you to believe anyone would have called with the hands that might beat you aside from trip 7s and 4s.

I'd say bet harder on the flop in future,

As win many small pots. The big ones only come preflop.

[homerdash]

Yeah, I did bet the flop a little weaker than usual to possibly encourage action from AK/KQ/KJ. The flop doesn't bother me, the turn is where I need to give the hand up when I get reraised. I play a laggy style so I'm used to getting reraised when I don't have much of a hand, but as I said, I hadn't been at this table long enough to show that image. I hadn't done anything pretty much until this hand. We can reasonably conclude that the villain has the nuts or close to it when I'm showing aggression and he's showing even more aggression unless it's a bluff and the chances of that seem unlikely.

I'm not sure if it's just a bad streak or what, but I seem to keep building a nice stack through the first few blind rounds of MTTs and then getting a hand that seems so good but is my ultimate demise. I think I will force myself to start using some of my time bank if I'm putting more than 1/2 my stack in the middle.

[gabe]

i dont think anyone would fault you for this

[ender555]

I think he misplayed his hand and got lucky. most of the time you bust him... He could easily have had AK. I might've bet a little less on the turn, incase he has a set. That big bet pretty much made the hand really hard to let go. and one more bet is good enough to see if it's someone with a weak king just hoping u have AQ or something.

[russhall]

i agree that it was just crappy luck that he had kings. but, also agree that you needed to run out your time limit evaluating what he could have had when he re-raised you on the turn. you were showing aggression the whole time, so the chances of him bluffing would have been really low. now, what stellar hand was he holding? everyone has mentioned the set, but don't neglect the straight possibility, too. it wasn't too expensive for the 3rd in chips at the table to call your pre-flop raise of 300 with suited connectors (5,6) and he did check the flop and re-raise when that 8 hit.

so, i think you're right that you fell in love with the hand, but aces are so pretty when there isn't too much out there to be afraid of. there's a good chance i may have made the same mistake :-/

[chardrian]

First of all - KK played the hand very poorly preflop. KK is NOT a hand to limp in with early and not a hand you want two other callers with - especially since I am pretty sure this guy would not have been able to lay it down if an A came.

His check call on the flop shoulda been dinging some warning bells in your head. The hands I would be worried about here are 77 44 and 56.

The 8 does not help you and can only help him is what I would be thinking on the turn. Your pot was decent at this point and I woulda checked. His min-raise woulda really made me scared, but I can see why you just said screw it - he either has me or I have him and lets see if my AA got cracked.

Really hard to put him on KK since he played it goofy and failed to raise and then to re-raise pre-flop. But 56, 77 or 44 were viable.

[Corey]

you got played!

KK limped in.

With early limpers I will tend to bet more preflop to make and player fold draws... but of course you will not push KK out preflop stby

[homerdash]

Yeah corey, I've limped UTG or UTG+1 with KK/AA too, but with the intention of reraising. I'm not sure what homeboy was doing. I do wonder if he would have reraised preflop if I had raised higher like 600/700. Then this thread would belong in the bad beats section.

Doesn't matter though, 777 and 444 would have played the hand the same way. I learn something new in every MTT I play and this one is no exception.

I am determined to get in the #ftr topic soon!