The nutz...total misplay or acceptable?

[Chicago_Kid]

Down to the bubble in 3-table tourney, I'm the short-stack at a pretty tight table. Thinking I need to get some chips (perhaps dbl up) to make a run...poorly played?


***** Hand History for Game 2106941434 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:12533182 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Thursday, May 26, 00:50:29 EDT 2005
Table 3 - Table(347077) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: PokerRookie8 ( $2820 )
Seat 3: Chicago_Kid ( $2170 )
Seat 4: sctirish10 ( $5100 )
Seat 8: WolfStarz ( $4610 )
Seat 9: Guns_Thomas ( $8130 )
Seat 10: Lobsterdawg ( $7170 )
Trny:12533182 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chicago_Kid [ Ah Ad ]
>You have options at Table 37600 Table!.
Chicago_Kid calls [400].
sctirish10 folds.
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
WolfStarz folds.
Guns_Thomas folds.
Lobsterdawg folds.
PokerRookie8 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Kd, 6s ]
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
PokerRookie8 checks.
Chicago_Kid bets [600].
PokerRookie8 calls [600].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
PokerRookie8 checks.
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
Chicago_Kid bets [1000].
PokerRookie8 is all-In [1820]
Chicago_Kid is all-In [170]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Chicago_Kid shows [ Ah, Ad ] a pair of aces.
PokerRookie8 shows [ 6h, 6d ] three of a kind, sixes.
PokerRookie8 wins 650 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, sixes.
PokerRookie8 wins 4540 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, sixes.
Player Chicago_Kid finished in 6 place
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
Chicago_Kid has left the table.

[gabe]

i might not take the same approach, but that doesnt mean you played it wrong. if i was going to try to slowplay thinking i would get the most value out of it that way, i would play it the same.

[ender555]

as a short stack you might've been called anyways just going AI on the blind with 66. I think i might try this limp too. tough luck.

However, i just played a 3 table where it was 5 left, and the shortstack goes ai on my big blind as a small blind and i have Q10s. I figure i'm a favorite jsut because he went ai and didnt want called. he flips aces and they hold up. very suprising move, but also effective. you might get some callers if you make it look like you don't want to be called. depends on the table texture i dont know. if you see the big guys calling a lot of the AI's i say just push here.

[SnoT_III]

nothing you can do about someone catching trips on the flop. I doubt they would ahve laid down pocket 6's

[Chicago_Kid]

Thanks for the feedback. BTW--this wasn't a validation post at all, just curious how others would think about it. Generally, I HATE limping AA, and laugh heartily at people who do so and get burned.

However, this was a hand I thought I'd get some chips in there and then go AI on the turn, given the circumstances. Then when the K hit, I thought I'd represent a K, and see if he caught one as well. I might get rich value betting it down.

The annoying thing is that he probably wouldn't have called an AI with his 66 b/c his stack was the second smallest. But then I only make the blinds and I really needed to position myself for a run at 1st.

1 out of the money...sux.

[Chicago_Kid]

if you see the big guys calling a lot of the AI's i say just push here.

Yeah, thought about this...alas, the table was playing "bubble style" tight as a gnat's ass.

[vqc]

if you see the big guys calling a lot of the AI's i say just push here.

Yeah, thought about this...alas, the table was playing "bubble style" tight as a gnat's ass.

Its too bad. You played the table the way u were supposed to play it. They were tight so you tried to trap. He lucked out on u.

[vegaas2]

Slowplaying reaps great benefits when it works. When it doesnt, ouch.

Hard to say, I might have slow played it as well. It depends on what I have done recently. Where you doing any blind stealing previous to this? If so, I would have pushed hard on the AA because chances are someone thinks I am blind stealing again. If I hadnt been blind stealing yet, I may have slow played as well.


Tough luck man, busting out on the bubble sucks.

[allLiving]

...he probably wouldn't have called an AI with his 66 b/c his stack was the second smallest.

Incorrect. He would have.

[chardrian]

...he probably wouldn't have called an AI with his 66 b/c his stack was the second smallest.

Incorrect. He would have.

Usually I agree with you. In this case the fact that he checked 66 makes me agree with Chicago here.

I woulda either bet 1200 preflop and moved all-in on the flop no matter what or just pushed. Losing with AA sucks.

[ZenOffsuit]

Chicago: Did you limp thinking that someone behind you would probably raise based on their play? That is usually something I would consider if I were going to limp with Aces here.

What about a standard 3x raise, is that something that would be considered here?

[Chicago_Kid]

Chicago: Did you limp thinking that someone behind you would probably raise based on their play? That is usually something I would consider if I were going to limp with Aces here.

What about a standard 3x raise, is that something that would be considered here?

Thanks for the thoughtful question. There were a couple big stacks that had demonstrated a proclivity for blind stealing in previous hands. So, yes, I hoped one of the big stacks would try to steal the blinds or value raise. My plan was to AI any action back at me pre-flop. You know that feeling when the folds go all the way around, you're left thinking "g.d. s.o.b...."

I suppose the learning here is that a 2x/3x raise here is probably safest with this many players left, as you stated. I should have tried to get the table to put me on two broadways with this raise, so if someone has AK/AQ or a pair, they push back. With 4 or fewer, a limp probably becomes more profitable.

[DimitriT]

Almost identical thing happened to me last night in a 5/.50 S&G.
I was short stack with 3 plrs left. Got my AA, tried to slow play it,
went AI and got called by QQQ. In this case it wouldn't have mattered.
No way I can shake him off that hand. Just bad luck.

On a brighter note, I went into a hand with low pair (3 in hand and 3 on the board). Called the min, got another 3. Slow played it, called the min again, got the fourth 3. Then I sat and waited for about 30 seconds. Went all in. Got an instant call and doubled up.

I could just read his mind: "no way he's got that fourth 3, he must be bluffing"

[gabe]

if you see the big guys calling a lot of the AI's i say just push here.

Yeah, thought about this...alas, the table was playing "bubble style" tight as a gnat's ass.

you could always push and show, and maybe use that to steal a few more times when they think you are on amazing run of cards. it seems so illogical and easily readable, but fish will back off when you show them some good cards.

[ender555]

Yeah chicago, and if it's tight You might try an all-in push with a few sub par cards as the small stack. Say you're on the bubble with J-7, or something like this. Go ahead push all in and show. Next time you get a strong hand do the same thing and reap the rewards.

Yes you can get burned, but you need to do something drastic to win anyways. It's worked for me at tight tables really well.