mtt question

[Roco415]

qui find that i can last pretty far in mtt's but i cant get a huge stack early like some people do...i usually finish right on the bubble of these mtt's...if neone knows nething i can do do get a stack quicker, it wud be greatly apprieciated....thanky you

[Staple Gun]

Its not about getting a big stack quickly, if you are finishing on the bubble you are either playing to tight on the bubble, or you are just getting some rotten luck. As long as you are getting to the last 20% of the feild with a somewhat healthy stack (probably 10 BB or more) you are giving yourself a shot.

[russhall]

if you're lasting pretty far, then don't worry about getting a huge stack early. apparently, you're playing well as it is. unless you're just getting there because you aren't playing any hands, then obviously you need to loosen up. otherwise, you are probably folding some hands you could win. read some of the other posts that talk about stealing blinds for a good idea. be wary, though, some people will be worried about not placing also and be playing fairly loose and will call you. so, be ready for coin flip situations. huge stack early is overrated, i consistently see the #1 person dropping because he starts calling everyone just to keep his lead going and his luck runs out. then, he tilts and loses it all. just play a solid game, steal pots, and like staple said, you're either playing too tight for bubble play or you're getting rotten luck. if the luck thing is the case, that'll change sometime. if it doesn't, then it's probably not luck

[Roco415]

oh okay ill try to loosen up if my stack isnt huge while on bubble..maybe thatll increase my chances, thanks for the advice

An early big stack means practically nothing.

The bubble is where the average player tightens right up to try to fold fold fold their way ITM. The good player doesn't want ITM, he wants to win. So you must take advantage of their tightness. Steal as many blinds as you like when in any half-decent position, 80% of the time they will just fold around.

[ihategnomes]

Also make sure you are not continually spewing chips during the tournament. They really add up over a few hours. Play really tight to begin with, then slowly start to be more aggressive. I a lot of players have the opposite appoach. Be aggressive early, then tighten up at bubble time, which is bad ummkay

[DavSimon]

I used to have a similar problem....again early big stack means very little. In hour two and three I am usually in chip accumulation mode slowly getting more arggressive as people start to tighten up...just as Gnomes suggested. When you get withing 30-50 people away from the bubble is when the blinds are fairly large and then antes are substantial. 1 steal can mean close to two orbits...the key is "no fear" yes, is sounds trite to say it again, but you have to be willing to bubble if you are going to make it into the deep money. Look for good position and go with any ace....if you have a middle position min raise and it folds to you in the CO or button strongly consider the resteal....gaining momentum and putting fear into the rest of the table is what will get you far past the bubble into the deep money.

[Roco415]

gnomes, that is exactly how i usually play the mtt...funny u should say that, im usually somewhat more aggressive early becasue i feel the poor players will pay off my huge hands and then once i get close to itm i tighten up significantly, im just afraid if i try to steal and get rereaised , the steal is a huge portion of my stack with blinds so high...but ill definitely try this method and loosen up to try to put myself in a position to win..i think thats part of it too...i usually dont have the mentality middle of a tourney that im going to win, i usually just want to place...very interesting...thanks for the advice...and i assume you guys r great at mtt's...if u have anymore useful tips...let me know..thanks for the advice though

[russhall]

i've been watching the chip leaders the past couple tourneys i've played in and early on, they're the ones who are going all-in and winning coin flips. so, to reiterate, being at the top in the beginning is irrelevant. to do so, you have to put your tourney life on the line.

also, roco, i'm glad you realized that you are playing the way gnomes suggests not to and that you plan on changing. this will go great with your newfound respect for NOT getting a huge stack early you can take out those weaker players with good, solid play. so, don't worry, they will pay you off. it'll just take 2-4 hands instead of one. good luck and let us know how ya do!

[Roco415]

thank you russhall...ill post how i do in the mtt's soon im gonna just try to play solid and trap with big hands...hope it works out and im just curious, do u have neother tips about how to play mtt's that have been useful for u

[ihategnomes]

Im not a great MTT player, but I know a few things. It directly relates to not having to play marginal hands while the blinds do not have a significant impact on your stack.

[ZenOffsuit]

This is THE MTT post regarding stack control, accumulation and conservation of chips. It has really helped me in terms of guiding my decision making regarding blind stealing and how active I want to be.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ight=aokrongly

[DBL0SVN]

This is THE MTT post regarding stack control, accumulation and conservation of chips. It has really helped me in terms of guiding my decision making regarding blind stealing and how active I want to be.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ight=aokrongly

I'll second that.

[Roco415]

thanks for the link ...itll help greatly

[Hubris1]

You have to always be positioning yourself for a couple of levels after the one you are in now. If you tighten up around bubble time you might as well just hit sit out next hand and walk away. Steal, steal, steal. You might be afraid but I guarantee the next guy is even more afraid when he has a raise coming at him and he's going to be out of position if he calls.

If someone isn't permitting a steal, start pushing on him. 710s is only a 10% underdog to AKo and if he folds 4 times and calls on the fifth, he's just getting paid with the blinds and antes you already stole for a 60% chance to win. More importantly, you got four orbits to catch a monster and double up, if that monster never came, darn, but you can't sit back and wait for it you have to pay the piper every orbit.

[Roco415]

that makes alot of sense, i never thought about it that way, even if i am constantly pushing and stealing blins and i do get called, im not that great of an underdog to win that hand anyways...ill try to incorporate that next mtt, thank ya

[vegaas2]

I havent had much luck with the aggressive approach at the bubble my last few MTT's. Seems like the others on the table are doing the same thing and we end up busting each other out while the passives sit happily by.

I am not guying to change my philosphy, howerver; I am going to be much more carefull if I dont have a good read on the players at the table.

[sisqo]

Roco...it's about knowing your table well, right...I mean, you can spot folks out who bet little, toss a lot. They look for the sure thing. Take advantage of them and drop the hammer.

[ZenOffsuit]

Roco...it's about knowing your table well, right...I mean, you can spot folks out who bet little, toss a lot. They look for the sure thing. Take advantage of them and drop the hammer.

I agree with this but I also like to steal with hands that have potential, just in case I get called or re-raised. I rather steal with suited or semi-suited connectors then A/4 off