Red cards

[Shark Bait]

After reading the great advice from all the members here I decided that was too hard so I started using the red card strategy. The strategy is defined as raising with red cards, but that's kind of boring and still requires some skill. So I modified it to raise all-in with red cards and fold with anything else. Here are the results of my first try at it:

QTs
chip leader called and got a pair on the flop, but I rivered him with a queen. I became chip leader by a lot at this point. He was out 2 hands later.

53s
Someone called with pocket kings and got a king on the turn and the board paired on the river to give him a full house. I didn't get anything. But this was really helpful as it made people more likely to call the all-ins.

T2o
Someone called with AJo and neither of us hit anything.

T6o
Caller with A8o. I hit both the ten and the six. They didn't hit anything.

KTo
Caller with AKo. Neither of us hit anything, and this took me out.

The rest were uncalled.

Some hands I folded because they were not red:
AA
AQo
AJs

I finished in 7th place out of 10.

I'm going to have to try it again to prove if this works or not. There is also difficulty on what to do when on the blinds without red cards. On the BB I flopped trip 7's and following the rules, I checked it to the river. But what if someone had bet? Do I fold? Also, what about pocket aces? They weren't red so I had to fold them.

btw, this is kind of a joke, so don't take me too seriously.

[Shark Bait]

Hmmmm...second time didn't go so well. First time someone called I lost.

I had Q8o and someone called with ATo. He hit his ten and I didn't hit anything.

9th place!

OK...1 more time!

[Shark Bait]

yes! no more of this for sure!

First time someone called I had T9s and they had AKo. They hit an ace on the flop AND the river. And I was left with nothing.

10th place this time.

ok, it was fun while it lasted...back to low limit holdem.

[Wet_DreaMer]

You started too early, and way too longhanded for any sort of strict game theory approach to be successful.

Try again once your in the final 4 and give us a report if you can be bothered.

[LeFou]

Some hands I folded because they were not red:
AA
AQo
AJs

Game theory strats like red cards are meant to randomize your bluffing, not to replace you whole approach to the game with bluffing.

That said, it's a nice ballsy weird thing to do, so I approve.

[Shark Bait]

Game theory strats like red cards are meant to randomize your bluffing, not to replace you whole approach to the game with bluffing.

That said, it's a nice ballsy weird thing to do, so I approve.

Yes, I realize this now. I just thought modifying it to be a strict rule would be fun. I lost $3.30 no big deal.

I also know that the idea is just to raise, not raise all-in. Raising in no limit is practically asking to get raised all in, so I thought about trying something like this in limit. think it would work out?

I'm not sure I get the point entirely, but suppose you have 53 (red) and you raise preflop. 1-2 people call, and you miss the flop as usual, or worse you get a pair of 5's. What then? Is the idea just to keep your opponents guessing? Like...what is he raising with? Why is he always raising? And eventually they call because they know you don't have a raising hand THAT often. And just their luck they will call when you actually have some good cards.

Or am I completely wrong?

wet, I will try this when there are 4 or less people left, when everyone is the weakest since they want to get ITM. Then after you get ITM, you pretty much have to play it wildly anyway.

[LeFou]

The point, briefly, is to get it so a lot of your preflop raises are bluffs. Most people who play NL don't bluff enough, in my opinion.

You'll get 2 red cards 25% of the time. Suppose 15% of starting hands are legitimately raisable. Raising with red cards more than doubles your PFR %. In 1000 hands you'll have

75 raisable hands w/cards of different colors (500X.15)
37.5 raisable hands w/black cards (250X.15)
37.5 raisable hands with red cards (250X.15)

So you're raising with the above, plus the other 212 times you get red cards. 362 PFR out of 1,000 hands. Of those, 58% are bluffs.

Obviously that's very high. Experience teaches you when you need a PFR and/or bluffing percentage that high. Hint: tight ring games. tourney bubbles.

This doesn't fly in low-limit, as you're getting called. It also doesn't fly early in tourneys. It's for establishing yourself as the action guy, trying to get the play to revolve around you, as Radashack says.

As implied above, it's not supposed to be Your Game Plan -- just one of the tools in yr box.

[Shark Bait]

well I changed the rules a bit. I stuck to the usual routine, raising what I would normally raise, but then just added on that if I ever got 2 red cards I did a min raise. I got pretty lucky. The table I was playing was pretty tight. If they all didn't fold preflop, they would fold to my followup bet on the flop. Everytime I did the red card raise preflop, they checked it to me and I bet the flop (even though I usually missed it horribly) and they would all fold half the time.

Combined with some good play and some luck, I ended up getting first of ten. Now lets see if I can keep it up.

[LeFou]

congrats. Always nice to see new red card afficionados developing.

[LeFou]

In other news AdTh = all in, every single time.

[Shark Bait]

In other news AdTh = all in, every single time.

hehehehe...that trophy really is nice.

Do you ever mix it up and play the completely different game known as black cards?

[Shark Bait]

hmmm...must be doing something right. I just won the next one I played too.

before yesterday, I played 12 SNGs in the last month. I won 1 of them. Yesterday I played 3 and I won 2 of them.

This last one was more difficult. When it got to heads up I had about 4,000 chips to his 11,000. we stayed pretty even for a while until I had pocket 4's and the flop was 954. He had 95 and raised to put me all in. I called and nothing changed. I swear we played over 50 hands HU.

[Shark Bait]

well luck and/or skilled players finally caught up with me. 5th place this time. I was chip leader several times late in the game, but it gets difficult when there's 5 people left and everyones stack is about the same at less than 10 big blinds.

The red card thing can really hurt you when you're short stacked, Considering it's going to cost you at least 3 big blinds if you don't make anything and decide to fold.

[Roco415]

In other news AdTh = all in, every single time.

hehehehe...that trophy really is nice.

Do you ever mix it up and play the completely different game known as black cards?

How dare you... ......hahaha