did I play it right?

[pantherhound]

------HAND 5------
Game #748039203: Texas Hold'em No Limit (25/50) - 2005/06/07 - 14:49:49 (UK)
Table "STT1 671625 - 1" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: King1981 (815 in chips)
Seat 2: game123 (2307 in chips)
Seat 4: Slobodams (2260 in chips)
Seat 6: Airforce (875 in chips)
Seat 7: kingred (893 in chips)
Seat 8: Smiffy44 (1180 in chips)
Seat 9: Ishagwell (1175 in chips)
Seat 10: Madcow (495 in chips)
game123: posts small blind 25
Slobodams: posts big blind 50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [Qh Ah]
Airforce: folds
kingred: folds
Smiffy44: raises to 150
Ishagwell: folds
Madcow: folds
King1981: calls 150
game123: folds
Slobodams: folds
----- FLOP ----- [3h 5s Th]
Smiffy44: bets 200
King1981: raises to 665 and is all-in
Smiffy44: calls 465
----- TURN ----- [3h 5s Th][9d]
----- RIVER ----- [3h 5s Th 9d][Tc]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
King1981: shows [Ks Kh] (Two Pairs, Kings and Tens, Nine high)
Smiffy44: shows [Qh Ah] (A Pair of Tens, Ace high)
King1981 collected 1705 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 1705 Main pot 1705 Rake 0
Board [3h 5s Th 9d Tc]
Seat 1: King1981 (button) showed [Ks Kh] and won (1705) with Two Pairs, Kings and Tens, Nine high
Seat 2: game123 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Slobodams (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Airforce folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kingred folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Smiffy44 lost
Seat 9: Ishagwell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Madcow folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I felt good about my hand and thought he was raising because he was suspicious of me leading out. I thought he may have had a T but I called instantly- did I have odds? At this level (£5/$10 SNG) i haven't seen a lot of sneakiness with kings, expecially when they're faced with an early position raise.

[vqc]

Ya i think thats fine. I think at worst ur up against a set, and even then, you have ~15 outs. My read is that You have 2 overcards and the nut flush draw vs. a set or JJ.

However, you must realize that if you fold, YOu have 800 chips. THe lbinds are still low. You will not be compeltely crippled. If you do call, you lose about 50% of the time and you are severly crippled. Your pick.

Also! Consider pushing the flop. Its just one of those plays to add to ur SNG aresenal. Tehre are about 400 chips in the pot already. That constitutes about 1/3 of ur stack. Thats a good sized pot. With the nut flush draw and two overcards, its not a bad pot to push at.

[gabe]

you have lots of draws, you are ahead of any pair on the board that doesn't have you reverse dominated. i would play it the same probably.

[vqc]

Blowe bet about 1/3 of the players chip stack. IN that players eyes do you think by calling he would be pot committed? If he is pot committed, is he not going to be putting the rest of his chips in anyways later on in the hand if he calls now? Someone who calls off 1/3 of their stack is liekly to continue with the hand right?

More clearly.
If you make a bet that forces the caller of that bet to be commited to that hand, you may as well force him to a decision for all his chips.

I think that this situation is a marginal example, im not sure if 1/3 the guys stakc will make him feel hand commited but its close enought that I think it warrants that sort of a play.

[gabe]

Blowe bet about 1/3 of the players chip stack. IN that players eyes do you think by calling he would be pot committed? If he is pot committed, is he not going to be putting the rest of his chips in anyways later on in the hand if he calls now? Someone who calls off 1/3 of their stack is liekly to continue with the hand right?

More clearly.
If you make a bet that forces the caller of that bet to be commited to that hand, you may as well force him to a decision for all his chips.

I think that this situation is a marginal example, im not sure if 1/3 the guys stakc will make him feel hand commited but its close enought that I think it warrants that sort of a play.

i don't think this guy will push more than half the time, and most of the time when he does push it will be a hand that you are ahead of--maybe top pair or another flush draw.

if you hit a hand that was ahead of top pair (like a set), wouldn't you want them to push?

[ZenOffsuit]

However, you must realize that if you fold, YOu have 800 chips. THe lbinds are still low. You will not be compeltely crippled. If you do call, you lose about 50% of the time and you are severly crippled. Your pick.

I agree with this thought process. His call of your raise, instead of a re-raise PF is a risky and uncommon move for Ks....I would have definitely reraised.

When he re-raises all-in on the flop, I fold here. If this was later in the game and it could be the hand that means a great shot at first, I go for it.

[DimitriT]

Normally, it is a bad play to call an AI after the flop. The reason
is that you almost always have the worst hand. In this case, with the flush + 2 overs giving your odds a boost (to about 50% against a pair) I would call. You are getting about a 3 for 1 payoff on the bet, for even odds.

You didn't make it this time but it was a still a good call.

[digitaldoc]

It's still early in the SnG...I would probably lay down the hand. With a preflop call followed by a post flop raise I would lean towards putting him on a set or a over pair like JJ or QQ and he's trying to protect from the flush draw.

If he's got a set, that really limits my outs to the flush draw minus the 5h, If he's got the QQ, I can add three outs for the ace and if he has JJ or lower pocket pair I can add three more outs for the Q. Or he could be completely position playing a bluff. If I look at the whole range of possibilities I would say you are at a coin toss at best, but likely a 60/40 dog in this hand.

I would then fall back to there has got to be a better place to get all my chips in the pot.

Just my thoughts...

[pantherhound]

Thanks for the responses. As for the set, it actually didn't cross my mind in this particular situation. The preflop call was kind of quick, and i'd noticed the guy had taken his time with other hands preflop, and if he was calling my raise with a pair of 3s or 5s, I think he would have hesitated a little more, just a feeling I got, that he didn't have trips. In this case trip Qs was the most plausible but to be honest his play threw me off because you can't usually account for sneakiness amongst all the other variables.

I felt that folding at that point would also have sent a weak signal to my opponents. As for the 'having chips left if I lose' argument, i think it was pretty near the 50/100 stage, in which case I probably needed to make the call. If I'd have known it was a flip with the turn and river to come (even though it wasn't), I'd probably have taken it in these circumstances.

Since this one I have won 2 SNGs in a row, I'm feeling good. Thanks again all

[ZenOffsuit]

I felt that folding at that point would also have sent a weak signal to my opponents.

Don't worry about this. Just know what your table image is and use it to your advantage. When you have a solid hand someone will think they can walk all over you....and BOOM!