Raise the river?

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http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=view&hand=74436

Wasn't sure if he had hit his boat or simply rivered a better straight so I decided to just call.Turns out he had trapped himself overbetting his trips.

1. Don't mind the limp preflop.
2. EDIT: Call the flop. (I can't read :P).
3. I'm reraising the river to $20 here, you'd be unlucky to run into a boat.

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2. Fold the flop.

Why? He has a double bellybuster straight draw and is getting laid at least 4.5 to 1 on the call to see the turn (more people might call behind him). Even if 2 of the 8 outs are counterfeited by the flush draw and he has only 6 live outs, I think implied pot odds definitely justify this call and probably a call on the turn, as odds of hitting a straight if you see both cards is around 24%, requiring only 3 to 1 implied pot odds to justify the call. Moreover, if your opponent will pay you him off if he hits it, 4.5 to 1 is good enough to see only one card even though it is 7 to 1 against him hitting on the turn (if he has only 6 outs), as he could easily extract 7 from this pot if he hits by betting 3 or 4 on the turn and again on a non-club river (if there are other callers besides him on the flop, he should bet 1/2 pot on the turn, giving 3 to 1 pot odds on a 4 to 1 flush draw and forcing opponents to make a mistake). Perhaps I am missing something and the possibility that the lower straight would be counterfeited should discount his total outs to 4 or 5 rather than 6, making a fold on the flop marginally correct. Or maybe the possibility of a big raise behind makes the call incorrect. Why do you suggest folding on the flop to a dollar bet into a 4.50 pot Dwarfman?

2. Fold the flop.

Why? He has a double bellybuster straight draw and is getting laid at least 4.5 to 1 on the call to see the turn (more people might call behind him). Even if 2 of the 8 outs are counterfeited by the flush draw and he has only 6 live outs, I think implied pot odds definitely justify this call and probably a call on the turn, as odds of hitting a straight if you see both cards is around 24%, requiring only 3 to 1 implied pot odds to justify the call. Moreover, if your opponent will pay you him off if he hits it, 4.5 to 1 is good enough to see only one card even though it is 7 to 1 against him hitting on the turn (if he has only 6 outs), as he could easily extract 7 from this pot if he hits by betting 3 or 4 on the turn and again on a non-club river (if there are other callers besides him on the flop, he should bet 1/2 pot on the turn, giving 3 to 1 pot odds on a 4 to 1 flush draw and forcing opponents to make a mistake). Perhaps I am missing something and the possibility that the lower straight would be counterfeited should discount his total outs to 4 or 5 rather than 6, making a fold on the flop marginally correct. Or maybe the possibility of a big raise behind makes the call incorrect. Why do you suggest folding on the flop to a dollar bet into a 4.50 pot Dwarfman?

Whoopsy, thought it was a gutshot. My bad. :P

[WhooFleuryScores]

I was definately considering reraising him all in;but my initial feelings were that he may have outdrawn me thus the simple call.Oh well lol .