89o bubble play. Bodog 10+1. STack sizes included.

[vqc]

yam_bag $ 2,970.00
froodle $ 3,315.00
Stimpson $ 980.00
IAccumulator $ 750.00
presto1127 $ 1,985.00



IAccumulator Set dealer/Bring in spot
presto1127 Ante/Small blind $ 100.00
yam_bag Big blind/Bring in $ 200.00

IAccumulator Card dealt to a spot

froodle Fold $ 0.00
Stimpson Fold $ 0.00
IAccumulator All-in $ 750.00
presto1127 Fold $ 100.00
yam_bag Call $ 550.00

[Aüervelk]

I'd raise 450, seems easier to make calling hands fold post flop if they don't hit and I feel the AI move is abused so much it indicates a stronger hand not to AI. If you'd rather push, then go ahead. No way I'm folding this.

[vqc]

Raising to 450 leaves me with a 300 stack (1.5xBB). If the BB calls here, he will call off another 300 easily. I might as well push now and make him decide for more chips.

There is also no way I fold after the flop comes. So again I might as well push now.

Iv been reading tournament poker and the art of war.
two 100 bets on two seperate occasions do not carry the force of one 200 bet.
Granted this does not always apply, but I think that in most short stack pushing situations, this is the right mentality.

[gabe]

nh if the blinds arent calling stations

[Aüervelk]

I understand the whole one big bet carries more weight thing. The problem is, everyone and their mother understands it too. After a certain point in a tourney, no one ever makes a normal-sized raise, and when someone makes one, my AA-QQ alarm goes off.

Anyway, that's just what I would do. I feel like AI indicates a weak hand / desperation of being short stacked. I don't think anyone would call 450 and not call 750. Everyone knows you aren't folding anyway, and they will have to call 300 more on the flop. Someone with Q7 or whatever that would call, might fold on the flop if they don't hit.

[vqc]

Why would anyone with Q7 want to call ur raise, especially if they have their AA-QQ alarm going off? THe beauty of fold equity is that if you push at the right time, even if you are bullshitting, their is nthing the other player can do about it. Your stack consists off too much of their stack. They are afraid that maybe you have AK, or KK or AA this ONE time. They are afraid that maybe you wouldnt really steal 3 times in a row, and that the 3rd time you have a real hand. Puhsing works because it scares people.

3xBB will keep hands in that shouldnt be in.

The point is that even though everone and their mother knows the play, it still works.

[drmcboy]

Push

Don't like the stop and go here, you may (probably should) get called by A high even if they miss.

[Aüervelk]

Why would anyone with Q7 want to call ur raise, especially if they have their AA-QQ alarm going off? THe beauty of fold equity is that if you push at the right time, even if you are bullshitting, their is nthing the other player can do about it. Your stack consists off too much of their stack.

Your stack does not consist of too much of his stack here. He's got 3k and only .5k to call to take you out, so he should call with many hands. I think you have more chance that he does not call with so many hands if you do a smaller raise instead of a standard push, which he should be expecting here.
Anyway, I don't really care to convince anyone, that's just my point of view on the matter.

[chardrian]

He has less than 4X BB. Your advocating a raise of 2.5X BB - to me that's a I would like both of the remaining players who have already blinded to call me to ensure I have 2-4 overs to fight against bet. Push or fold is his only option here.

[Rondavu]

You can do whatever you want to do. You can push preflop. You can stop and go. If I have you covered, I'm not folding if I'm playing. You have to have the winning hand to win the pot and that's that.

Given that, your only option is to push preflop and hope for isolation.

[bair]

you have no option other than to push here IMO

[Aüervelk]

Here's an example of what I was talking about, see how well it worked out! :biggrin:

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 4: Bot ( $2300 )
Seat 6: Hero ( $1115 )
Seat 8: Villain ( $4585 )
Trny:13087363 Level:6
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 2h 7s ]
Hero raises [800].
Villain raises [1150].
Bot folds.
Hero is all-In [315]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 2c, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
Villain shows [ 8d, 8c ] two pairs, eights and sevens.
Hero shows [ 2h, 7s ] a full house, Sevens full of twos.
Villain wins 185 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, eights and sevens.
Hero wins 2530 chips from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of twos.

[vqc]

rofl

if you were willing to call his raise all in, then you shoudlve pushed all in in the first palce. I like the full house tho. 27o worse hand? HELL NO! =D