Good or bad push?

[Robert]

Was this a good push or should I have waited? THis was my best hand this far in the SnG

PokerStars Game #1883088537: Tournament #8897476, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/06/12 - 07:11:22 (ET)
Table '8897476 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: CanadianPort (4085 in chips)
Seat 5: rekit (6075 in chips)
Seat 6: Robert85 (1065 in chips)
Seat 9: skappy (2275 in chips)
rekit: posts small blind 50
Robert85: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Robert85 [Ah Qd]
skappy: calls 100
CanadianPort: folds
rekit said, "the love of making thing i have it "
rekit: calls 50
Robert85: raises 965 to 1065 and is all-in
skappy: folds
rekit: calls 965
*** FLOP *** [3s Qh Kc]
rekit said, "gl"
rekit said, "gl gl gl gl"
*** TURN *** [3s Qh Kc] [8s]
rekit said, "gl gl gl gl"
*** RIVER *** [3s Qh Kc 8s] [2h]
rekit said, "gl gl gl gl"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rekit: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Robert85: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Queens)
rekit said, "my win"
rekit said, "later"
rekit collected 2230 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2230 | Rake 0
Board [3s Qh Kc 8s 2h]
Seat 3: CanadianPort (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rekit (small blind) showed [Ts Ks] and won (2230) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: Robert85 (big blind) showed [Ah Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: skappy folded before Flop

[gabe]

good push

good push

Yup, you're 3 handed, you're short stacked, you're looking for any excuse to get all your chips in the pot preflop. AQo is a damn fine excuse.

[Robert]

thought so too, but I wondered since I had about 10xB I could survive quite a bit more hoping to catch a better hand to push with. But I guess hands better than AQo doesnt exactly grow on the trees

[chardrian]

Good - although I still am a fan of the 3-5X BB raise.

Edit - in this case you are shortstacked so it was your only move, I take it back.

[buttonAA]

question by a newbe. to all else about this hand. Yes he is short stacked, but AQo is not a garuanteed win. AK, AA, QQ, KK are all great candidaters to beat him. even any pocket pair. Why risk so much of your stack on this one hand. WHy not raise 5xBB and play it out. Its not like he is soooo short stacked that he has to take such risk. There are 4 people left, and he is almost in the money. If the flop misses, he still has a chance of one of the other players getting to play and lkoose their stack and putting him in the money.

[vqc]

Pushing also allows u to just pick up the chips in the pot. Adding 150 + The blinds back into ur stack wouldnt be a bad thing.

If you raise 5xBB you are left with 5xBB in ur stack. What are you going to do post flop? Continuation bet will put you all in. If you fold to a bet, you are left with 5xBB.

When your left with 5xBB there you have less folding equity than you would with 10xBB, and you are also forced to act again really soon before you get blinded out. You want to be the one picking what you push with, you do not want ur stack to be pikcing for you.

All those hands that you have listed probably would have raised preflop. If someone raised before you, you would have to think about what you should do. But in this case, limping represents weakness, any hand that called would probably be a low pocket pair, at which case you are a coin flip. Coin flipping at this point would not be a terribly bad thing.

I guarantee you that someone later on in this thread is going to say "dont limp into the money, first or nothing". Ok yes, that is pretty much the idea in this case. You have to udnerstand agression on the bubble is the best thing you can do. You push becuase you scare people, people will fold to ur push thus allowing to pick up chips. You want chips. CHIPS GOOD! pushing in this case will pick up the blinds and the limper. If you get called you also have a good chacne of winning the hand.

Im not sure this covered anything, please repost if you still have issues with pushing or not pushing.

[Aquinas]

dont limp into the money, first or nothing

[vqc]

I vote that we change that phrase into "make the play that will net u the biggest portion of that prize money in the long run".

HMM not as catchy.

[Robert]

amen vq, well put

[DimitriT]

good push

Good push but I would have led the betting with half
your stack first. You want to triple up if possible with
this one.

[gabe]

nah, i would be much hapier just winning whats in the pot already. AQ isnt that much of a favorite against two hands that would call a raise.

for example, lets say you raised half your stack and were called by KJo and 88 (typical hands that might call). You only win here 34% of the time. I would "value-raise" half my stack with AA or KK and MAYBE QQ, but never with anything unpaired. I want folds.

[buttonAA]

thanks vqchuang. your words make sense and answers my question. Cause if they fold they will fold with the 5xBB bet or AI. If they call, I am stuck with the continuation bet anyway.

To be honest though, I have so many times fallen ITM after folding and having 5xBB and being in the bubble. Just cause I waited for a better hand to double up on, and waited for someone else to get knocked out by a bigger stack.

when short stack I find myself often taking chips from second to short stack cause he is usually real scared to being the short stack. In this situation Robert is betting into the big stack who is more willing to take a chance.

Lastly to many this looks like just a blind steal vs the big blind. Who is the big stack and can afford a lose like this. Is see many call a bet like this on party poker with weaker hands then KT.