bodog 10+1, 99

[vqc]

froodle Set dealer/Bring in spot
Stimpson Ante/Small blind $ 10.00
DonEverest Big blind/Bring in $ 20.00

IAccumulator Card dealt to a spot


joraven Call $ 20.00
didier11 Fold $ 0.00
IAccumulator Call $ 20.00
Fatkat Call $ 20.00
presto1127 Fold $ 0.00
yam_bag Fold $ 0.00
froodle Fold $ 0.00
Stimpson Call $ 10.00
DonEverest Check
Betting round completed Last active pot = $100.00

Card dealt to table 8d 3c 7h
Stimpson Check
DonEverest Check
joraven Check
IAccumulator ??????

[Alibi]

Bet the pot. Hope to clear out some limpers.

If you get reraised, I'd likely call, thinking they have TPTK or a straight draw.

[bair]

stack?

[loanhorse]

Presumably not enough information is in your post to give an in depth anaylsis.
Anyone using AA,KK as trap cards? Is this sng or mtt? The people who entered the pot tight, loose, etc? IN general, pump a 50-80 dollar bet into the flop. Take it from there.

Also you'd might pump a min raise. if you think it'd eliminate a potential caller/limp preflop such as....

By Fatkat Call $ 20.00
Stimpson Call $ 10.00

[vqc]

Stacks are all even.
Its a SNG.
Its realyl early on so no reads.

[bair]

id bet 80

[Symbolic]

I agree, anywhere from 70-120

Nobody probably has TP or they probably would have bet out to try to protect their hand. If somebody comes over the top All-In probably looking at high pocket pair or less likely a set (who would probably slow play instead).

[fjuanl]

Nobody probably has TP or they probably would have bet out to try to protect their hand. If somebody comes over the top All-In probably looking at high pocket pair or less likely a set

Ive watched a few 10+1's at bodog, and during the 10/20 blinds, I've noticed everyone is VERY VERY tight, you generally wont see anyone limp with any low card besides a PP, so I would be very surpized if any limper even has a pair. The SB or BB might, but I'm probably guessing they dont like the kicker and don't need to waste chips by calling with middle pair, bad kicker. If you've seen that the table is very tight and theres only 1-2 limpers per hand, I would think about checking, or throwing out 30-80. With no flush draw, no straight draw (assuming they dont limp with 67 or 9T), or any face card, you don't really need to protect your hand. Just wait for them to catch a high pair and re-raise.

[Alibi]

Also you'd might pump a min raise. if you think it'd eliminate a potential caller/limp preflop such as....

Minraising accomplishes nothing.

[Aüervelk]

Bet the pot. I'd call a AI reraise easily too.

[vqc]

Why would you call an all in reraise? What range of hands do you put the players on, and when they push all in, what hands do you put them on and why?

[gabe]

Bet the pot. Hope to clear out some limpers.

If you get reraised, I'd likely call, thinking they have TPTK or a straight draw.

same here. but don't get attatched to it too much. i hardly play 99 for overpair value.

[Aüervelk]

Why would you call an all in reraise? What range of hands do you put the players on, and when they push all in, what hands do you put them on and why?

If they go all-in I put them on AK-AQ, 98, T8, T9, 65 etc. If they call, I put them on 87 or set. Overcards somewhat unlikely since no one raised preflop. Of course it will happen sometimes that someone will AI you with a limped AA or set. Today I may have called about 10 flop AI reraises, and won about 9 of them when the guy had next to nothing (33+3 party). It just seems to me like going AI on flop is an indication of weakness on a flop that includes only a straight draw. If there was also a flush draw, it's more likely that a set would go AI, though if it was me having the set, I'd only raise to 1.5x pot giving them terrible odds to call.

[drmcboy]

PSish bet is g00t.... as for calling an AI I tend to agree you're ahead more than behind, but this early I'm not sure I'm looking to go broke here.

[vqc]

PSish bet is g00t.... as for calling an AI I tend to agree you're ahead more than behind, but this early I'm not sure I'm looking to go broke here.

ya i agree. Im sure I can afford to lose a pot sized bet, but going broke with a "barely overpair" isnt what Im looking for. If it were JJ, or possibly TT. Then I would consider calling an all in.

[Aüervelk]

If it were JJ, or possibly TT. Then I would consider calling an all in.

I don't see a huge difference between 99 and TT, JJ except 99 gives you runner runner possibilities.

[vqc]

I dont kno if I can answer this one by myself.

GABEZOR! Is there a difference in overpair strength between TT and JJ?

Runner Runner makes like 3-4% difference in winning percentage, and im not sure that amerliorates the difference in overpair strength between 99 and TT, and 99 and JJ. I will pokerstove it after i take my sister to piano.

[gabe]

GABEZOR! Is there a difference in overpair strength between TT and JJ?

i don't know bro, it's just like a rule of mine. pokerstove might help.

[vqc]

JcJh on a 8d 3c 7h Board against a random hand has a win % of 79.67%

TcTh on a 8d 3c 7h Board against a random hand has a win % of 78.72%

9c9h on a 8d 3c 7h Board against a random hand has a win % of 77.89%

Thank you pokerstove, its close. I stll more comfortable with JJ TT than I do 99.

[Staresy]

I stll more comfortable with JJ TT than I do 99.

I don't get it. Is this a mental thing?

I don't see a huge difference between 99 and TT, JJ .

Me neither in this situation.

Anyways, I like a bet of 100-150 here. It screams to "middle pair that missed my set but got a nice flop anyway"

[gabe]

its not about playing against other pairs, its abuot playing against overcards

[Aquinas]

Pot Sized bet. Fold to strong reraise. Allin? that's a toughy. Smells of a weak hand. No clue what you should do there, so I probably call and loose to TT or a crazy 2 pair. Good thing is I get to start next tourney faster!

[ZenOffsuit]

3/4 to pot sized bet