Later in the same $5 SnG...

[Alibi]

Sandman usually only raises when he has something.

PokerStars Game #1894767672: Tournament #8956711, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/06/13 - 22:49:14 (ET)
Table '8956711 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: HoboJaws (1585 in chips)
Seat 5: discosquirel (2455 in chips)
Seat 8: sandman4921 (4510 in chips)
Seat 9: Taipan60 (4950 in chips)
discosquirel: posts small blind 75
sandman4921: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HoboJaws [9h 8h]
Taipan60: folds
HoboJaws: raises 300 to 450
discosquirel: folds
sandman4921: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Qh 3c 2h]
sandman4921: bets 600
HoboJaws ?????

[drmcboy]

Seems like you have a read that he has a Q... if he does he calls the AI. You still have a shot to win if you fold, so I think a lay down makes sense unless you don't feel you can win unless you take this pot. If you had been first to act or he'd checked I would say AI.

[Rondavu]

You got yourself into that mess, now you have to fold yourself out of it. You said yourself he's tight. He probably has a high pocket or AQ.

The answer is obvious

[gabe]

push preflop.

[homerdash]

word gabe

[gabe]

right on homer

[Alibi]

I ended up pushing on my flush draw and losing. I probably should have pushed PF.

[chardrian]

Wow - this is exactly the type of hand that illustrates Gabe's and my difference of opinion.

You didn't tell us what he had but since you lost I'm assuming QK, AQ or pockets. You push preflop and he probably calls anyway - so you lose just like you did.

You play it exactly how you did preflop, and then fold to his bet and you still have a chance to win. Next opportunity you get is your push hand.

[gabe]

You didn't tell us what he had but since you lost I'm assuming QK, AQ or pockets. You push preflop and he probably calls anyway - so you lose just like you did.

bad assumption. this is the bubble, calling an entire stack is lot different than calling a 3x raise.

if you want to play the hand, you push preflop. otherwise fold.

word gabe

right on homer

Roflcopter.

With your stack here, I say push preflop, 98s is a lovely little hand for dominating lesser hands and cracking bigger hands. Perfect when you are shorthanded and on a short stack.

[ZenOffsuit]

Based on his read of the BB, I am thinking that he would fold to a standard raise....unless he has something. If he is playing tight, he must like his hand which means that there is a good chance he would have called the all-in as well.

I rather make a solid raise here and then fold to his flop bet(putting him on A/Q or K/Q, nutflush draw(?)).

You still have enough fold equity in your stack when you pick a spot to push later.....

[vqc]

come on. push or fold preflop. In this particular case, id say fold preflop. You are on the edge.

chardrian, where do you play? and what stakes? I think im moving my roll soon.

[Aquinas]

Gabe--do u always push when blinds are about 10%? I usually don't go into push/fold mode till a bit later. In this case I'd probably agree though since the other stacks have so much more chips...

[Alibi]

He actually had Q7o.

I think he called because he thought I was stealing, although its a weak hand to call with.

[gabe]

Gabe--do u always push when blinds are about 10%? I usually don't go into push/fold mode till a bit later. In this case I'd probably agree though since the other stacks have so much more chips...

yes, when i am in late position and is folded to me, i will push with most half decent cards

[gabe]

You didn't tell us what he had but since you lost I'm assuming QK, AQ or pockets. You push preflop and he probably calls anyway - so you lose just like you did.

He actually had Q7o.

bad assumption, push preflop

[vqc]

Dont let the fact that he calls with AQ Or high pockets make u change the way u push. I pick up 87s and i push, sometimes i run into A2 and i jump gleefully, sometimes i run into QQ and i just luck box it (gabe u should get the reference). Hindsight is like 90/20, dont let it change how u play.

[chardrian]

You didn't tell us what he had but since you lost I'm assuming QK, AQ or pockets. You push preflop and he probably calls anyway - so you lose just like you did.

He actually had Q7o.

bad assumption, push preflop

I do realize the value in pushing on the bubble - I also realize the value in not knocking yourself out of a tourney on the bubble.

He had over 10xBB here, I don't know when the blinds go up again or to what level. I simply am saying I don't always advocate the push with a hand you are going to play when u have 10xBB. He called, giving your 89 a chance to actually win some chips here. Since he is tight if he raises you all-in preflop u can decide how good your 89s really is. You also can fold his raise on the flop and you are still kicking.

Pushing has advantages - you put the choice on him, and will more likely make his computer hand fold.

But 3XBB raise has advantages too - it gives you a better shot at actually doubling up, and leaves you with enough chips to make one last push.

[chardrian]

come on. push or fold preflop. In this particular case, id say fold preflop. You are on the edge.

chardrian, where do you play? and what stakes? I think im moving my roll soon.

vq - I play at paradise and empire. Limit 3/6 (any table) up to limit 10/20 (5 max table at paradise). SNGs up to $100. I haven't been playing many NL ring games lately cuz I get too bored and start making dumb moves with TPTK or draws. But I'm up for basically any game.

[vqc]

ok the stakes u play are way above me. How long have u been playing?

[chardrian]

I have been playing for a little over a year. I am trying to be very honest in my analysis of myself and have to say I am at this point just above a break-even player who still has some major leaks to patch to become a consistent, constant winner.

Your approach of sticking with your BR and really studying the game should help you avoid the many ups and downs I've had. Since I'm not in school anymore and actually have a real job, I'm just not as concerned anymore about playing over my BR since my BR is actually much higher than what's in my online accounts.