TPGK + gutshot, min bet into twice

[gabe]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

BB (t850)
UTG (t545)
UTG+1 (t990)
UTG+2 (t905)
MP1 (t1110)
MP2 (t925)
MP3 (t200)
Hero (t850)
Button (t925)
SB (t700)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, Hero calls t30, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t165) Q, J, 9 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t30, Hero raises to t250, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t220, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t695) A (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t30, Hero goes allin for t540


thoughts?? I put him on a ten and didn't want him pricing himself in for the river. what do you think he has and how does that make you play the hand differently than how i chose to play it?

[vqc]

Feel free to fold preflop?

he calls a pretty damn big reraise on the flop, and then min bets the turn again....

ok a set of nines is possible, but at the stakes ur playing I am sure they wyould have reraised ur raise on the flop, or pushed over ur raise. No way they are trapping with 99. If they are its chardrian.

ATo with the A of diamonds. Or QT with the ten of diamonds.

I dont kno if i push the turn. Im not sure gabezor. Im not sure. I would probably try and show it down for cheap. But thats why I play the 11s.

[gabe]

preflop fold is fine, but disregard that.

i dont think his min bet was trapping, i doubt he had a mosnter like 99 or KT. QT or JT seem most likely, or maybe AXs of diamonds. if i try to show it down cheaply and he has the ten, i'm giving him too good a price to see that river. BUT if he has AXs then I am pretty far behind. I think a suited ace is more likely also because the large call on the flop. You don't see people call such large bets with one card straight draws as compared to flush draws.

[vqc]

In order to call the flop raise
disregarding mosnters he has
Paired the Board and has a T.
The Ace of diamonds thus giving him a backdoor flush draw and a T.
Ace Rag of diamonds.

which one of these can explain the min betting?
Which ones of these hands are most liekly?
And which one of these hands are u comfortable pushing into on the turn?

[gabe]

all those hands min bet, and ill push over top of any of the hands that don't have the ace.


so whats the best play?

[vqc]

pushing is the best play

there are a total of 32 iterations of QT, JT, or 9T

There are a total of 13 iterations of AXdiamonds or AdTx

If you could see his hand and pushed everytime he didnt have an AceT or Flush draw, you should push in this situation. More often than not he will NOT have the ace.

I didnt include any ace and any ten. But even with that its still less than 32.

[ender555]

most people i see throwing out these small bets are just on draws. They are a lame attempt to scare you and slow you down.

[gabe]

most people i see throwing out these small bets are just on draws. They are a lame attempt to scare you and slow you down.

i know they are on a draw. so whats my best play?

[vqc]

GABEZOR. I told you.

If your going to be pushing against those hands. You should push, becuase possibility wise, he has hands that you want to push against.

[drmcboy]

EDIT - it helps to read correctly stack you are playing against.

Really tough hand, you have just enough left to maybe fold him out on a draw, but if you get called you're probably way behind. Any read on the guy, would he slow play two pair or set here? Boy, even if not that A is ugly... Hate to play the hand weak but I would be really tempted to call the min bet and hope he does it again on the river.

[Aquinas]

I like the all in. Even with no fold equity. Your probably ahead, and when I'm ahead and I think the other person knows it, I like to push. Few people like to call AI on a draw and if they do they pay you big. Note that if you've been hammering on small bets earlier in the tourney it could be a trap... but if it's the first or second time, AI.

[ZenOffsuit]

These people are annoying! They quickly call the big raise then throw out a min. bet....

This is the 'I am so close to hitting my OESD or OEFD bet!' Why they think throwing a min bet out there is good...I am not sure. Anyways, I do not go all-in unless I have a big hand myself. I slowdown and call because, you will not be able to get a chaser out now.....he is sooo close he can taste it!

If a blank comes off and he checks on the river, you can check behind him just in case you feel it was an A/x flush chase or throw a nice f-you bet if you think he missed his OESD. My guess is he is chasing the nut flush and got his Ace. Your big raise may have him scared, that you have an Ace too but a better kicker then he does.

[Gareth]

There is always the chance that he hit his straight off the flop - which are diamonds K10 - bets 30 to see if anyone has a piece of the flop - u raise - he thinks bingo got someone - bets 30 on the turn A not phasing him hoping you will raise.

[Gareth]

Gabe - if he was to re-raise you on the flop - what would you do/think

[chardrian]

You put him on a T what?? This is smelling like a crap hand.. but what if he has TK, 8T, or A9 diamonds? He also could have 7T or higher meaining he has anywhere from having you drawing to 3 outs, to him drawing to 7-14 outs. Because the pot is so big you can't raise his min bet enough to make him fold/see what he really has unless you go all-in. Another one of those - I play it both ways hands. Call and see if he is as dumb as he looks and take down a hefty pot, or raise and hope your read that he doesn't have u dominated is right.

[storm75m]

actually looks a little scary to me...
min bets mean two things, they're either drawing and want to slow you down, or they have a made hand and are probing you for a raise. The fact that he called your huge re-raise, throws up warning flags. You have position on him, I just call his min bet and see what he does on the river. Forget trying to stop him from drawing, if he called the first big raise, he'll call the second. I guess it's still early in the tournament and you can always start up another one, but this doesn't seem like the ideal situation to be putting all your chips in the middle, cause after the turn you only have second pair. Seems like you were just more irritated by his min bets and that forced you to drop the hammer, which may be exactly what he wanted... I think you're already beat here more than half the time.

[Chicago_Kid]

I bet it's a split pot.

This is a REALLY good hand to review. It's really tough to say what he'll do or what he has.

I would put him on a better draw that yours, probably has an A, like AT, or A9--or KQ. If he has two pair he calls, which is possible with the A on the turn. Did you really put him on a hand or did you just want to teach him a lesson for the damn min bet? Was there a bit of tilt in this AI or were you fairly certain he had a draw? Had you seen him lay down before to a big bet?

I don't think I like the AI there...but this isn't usually my play, and I've been nailed by the min bet more times than I have scared people off the pot after they make one.

Anyway, this min bet can fuck with me sometimes, I guess.