I need some advice on Party's 25nl games..

[Surf_Thug]

I used the game selection guide fnord typed out. Thanks for that..

This is refering to PP 25nl 10 handed games.

My main question is, if most of the suckers at the table arn't paying atention to your loose and/or tight play, is there any reason to advertise and give action without a premium hand?

The blinds are small .10-.25 so they really don't effect your play whatsoever. So is there any motivation to play anything but premium hands if your premium hands are getting payed off anyways?

I have pondered this question and figured i'd post it.

I seem to be almost always getting payed off on my AA/kk/qq/ak, whether i'm giving action or not..

Anyone have a thought on this?

Also how tight do you guys play when your 4 table camping? I'm having trouble making money and I might be playing way too many hands, even though my hand selection is wayyy tighter then it would be in any other game i've played.

[bair]

its personal preference...do what you are good at, if you find yourself making more money playing tight with only premium hands then do that. i play loose and play far more hands than just the premium hands, whether im 1 tabling, 4 tabling, or 8 tabling. you make it seem like the only reason you would play loose or tight is to build an image and then do the opposite, but thats only 25% of it. you play loose or tight because thats your style, it doesnt matter if they are paying attention or not. do whatever you are good at.

[Surf_Thug]

its personal preference...do what you are good at, if you find yourself making more money playing tight with only premium hands then do that. i play loose and play far more hands than just the premium hands, whether im 1 tabling, 4 tabling, or 8 tabling. you make it seem like the only reason you would play loose or tight is to build an image and then do the opposite, but thats only 25% of it. you play loose or tight because thats your style, it doesnt matter if they are paying attention or not. do whatever you are good at.

Is it possible to play loose at the Party 25nl and still turn a profit?

I seem to get called down to the river with just about anything, therefore loose play seems like it would be a loosing combination.

With the blind structure as low as it is, is there any benifit to entering pots without a premium starting hand??, considering of course the blinds arn't worth stealing.

I can see how in a Tourny with a higher blind structure, or a higher blind structure cash game entering into pots without premium hands is a good play, but not in this low of a blind structure cash game. CAn anyone explain his to me? We are so short stacked in 25nl
it seems like you can't really build a pot, and then steal it without your oponent being pot commited.

[bair]

i dont get why you are complaining that you get called down to the river every time, how can you not turn a profit with that happening? just because you are playing looser has nothing to do with your postflop play really...playing LAG doesnt mean you bluff more or bet bottom pair more or anything like that, it just means you loosen up your preflop requirements. i dont see what your opponents being calling stations has anything to do with playing loose. and you say the blind structure is low, the blind structure is the same percent as every other table except the small blind is $.05 less, i dont think that makes much of a difference. on party poker you have 100 big blinds at every single NL table. actually the fact that you get called down to the river with just about anything makes playing loose an even more winning combination... it seems like you would get paid off everytime you nail a flush or straight with your suited gappers and connectors??? and if all they do is call then you can even set your own pot odds for your drawing hands.

[DoGGz]

its personal preference...do what you are good at, if you find yourself making more money playing tight with only premium hands then do that. i play loose and play far more hands than just the premium hands, whether im 1 tabling, 4 tabling, or 8 tabling. you make it seem like the only reason you would play loose or tight is to build an image and then do the opposite, but thats only 25% of it. you play loose or tight because thats your style, it doesnt matter if they are paying attention or not. do whatever you are good at.

Is it possible to play loose at the Party 25nl and still turn a profit?

I seem to get called down to the river with just about anything, therefore loose play seems like it would be a loosing combination.

With the blind structure as low as it is, is there any benifit to entering pots without a premium starting hand??, considering of course the blinds arn't worth stealing.

I can see how in a Tourny with a higher blind structure, or a higher blind structure cash game entering into pots without premium hands is a good play, but not in this low of a blind structure cash game. CAn anyone explain his to me? We are so short stacked in 25nl
it seems like you can't really build a pot, and then steal it without your oponent being pot commited.

When I first started playing online, i always had a hell of a time with the low ring. I'd do much better at 100nl then 25nl always. My play has improved much during this and now I can destroy the 25nl. Here are some things I do.

Raise preflop, often, very often. I mean literally 10% of the time. People will still call you with garbage. QJos in late pos? Raise! AJ from MP? Raise! This MIGHT limit the field, but normally you are still getting 4 callers with 85os.

Also, you need to improve postflop play. Know when you are beat. Flop comes AT7 and you hold AJ. He min bets, you raise to the pot and he moves in. This is obviously time to fold. They will make it CRYSTAL CLEAR what they are holding, you just have to be paying attention.

I will play TPTK AI on many different hands. It is winning far more often then it is losing. Obviously use with caution, but I don't give most 25nl players any credit.

BET OUT ALL MADE HANDS. The pot is 4$ and the flop comes A85 2 hearts and you have 55 for the set. BET, and bet hard. Ax will call. The flushdraw will call, Lots of random hands with the straight draw will call. These guys are paying you off. Don't sit and let them catch when they will happily pay to catch.

gl

[Surf_Thug]

Thank you dogs for being able to give advice without being an arogant jack a$$.


That helps a lot. If you have any other oberservations that may help me feel free to post here or PM me, I'll take all you will give .

[journey075]

its personal preference...do what you are good at, if you find yourself making more money playing tight with only premium hands then do that. i play loose and play far more hands than just the premium hands, whether im 1 tabling, 4 tabling, or 8 tabling. you make it seem like the only reason you would play loose or tight is to build an image and then do the opposite, but thats only 25% of it. you play loose or tight because thats your style, it doesnt matter if they are paying attention or not. do whatever you are good at.

Is it possible to play loose at the Party 25nl and still turn a profit?

I seem to get called down to the river with just about anything, therefore loose play seems like it would be a loosing combination.

With the blind structure as low as it is, is there any benifit to entering pots without a premium starting hand??, considering of course the blinds arn't worth stealing.

I can see how in a Tourny with a higher blind structure, or a higher blind structure cash game entering into pots without premium hands is a good play, but not in this low of a blind structure cash game. CAn anyone explain his to me? We are so short stacked in 25nl
it seems like you can't really build a pot, and then steal it without your oponent being pot commited.

When I first started playing online, i always had a hell of a time with the low ring. I'd do much better at 100nl then 25nl always. My play has improved much during this and now I can destroy the 25nl. Here are some things I do.

Raise preflop, often, very often. I mean literally 10% of the time. People will still call you with garbage. QJos in late pos? Raise! AJ from MP? Raise! This MIGHT limit the field, but normally you are still getting 4 callers with 85os.

Also, you need to improve postflop play. Know when you are beat. Flop comes AT7 and you hold AJ. He min bets, you raise to the pot and he moves in. This is obviously time to fold. They will make it CRYSTAL CLEAR what they are holding, you just have to be paying attention.

I will play TPTK AI on many different hands. It is winning far more often then it is losing. Obviously use with caution, but I don't give most 25nl players any credit.

BET OUT ALL MADE HANDS. The pot is 4$ and the flop comes A85 2 hearts and you have 55 for the set. BET, and bet hard. Ax will call. The flushdraw will call, Lots of random hands with the straight draw will call. These guys are paying you off. Don't sit and let them catch when they will happily pay to catch.

gl

great advice, honestly. the play at this level is so obvious it hurts at times. but i wouldnt suggest raising crap like AJ/QJ etc. those are the hands more likely to be dominated. id suggest raising lower connectors and such way more. if somebody has you beat theyll wake up and tell you...theres no need to have iffy situaitons like QJ pairing your jack and having a caller. either go for the full bluff (easy to leave) or have strong hands that you can easily back up.

[DoGGz]

I'll take iffy situations all day at 25nl. You will know when you AJ is dominated. It is about getting money out of the 70% time that it isn't dominated.

[dodgerfan29]

i started playing seriously 25NL yesterday again on party..I made about 60 bucks 4 tabling. I usually just play premium hands preflop, but i do agree 100% with doggz about postflop play. If you are holding tptk or a set or 2 pair you need to be extremely aggressive because chances are you are ahead and they are chasing, so let them chase and pay you off

[storm75m]

IMO, 25NL full ring at party can be beat very easily by camping and playing ABC poker, without ever switching gears or using reads. A Lagg with good post flop skills will turn an even bigger profit, but here you will have to rely on reads a lot more, and you may have to work a little harder. Short handed is also a different story.

[a500lbgorilla]

Nut-peddle.

-'rilla

[Surf_Thug]

thanks for the advice..

I play very tight pre-flop, only playing cards that can draw to the nuts or great hands. This has paid off somewhat..

My bankroll started at 80$ about 2 weeks ago, and now i'm at $400, but I feel like I should be making even more considering the play is so bad.

How different is Party's 50NL as compared to 25NL? Is there more post-flop play? It seems on 25NL that it's mostly a pre-flop/flop game, usually any big pots consist of all the money being in the center at least by the flop.

I want to move up to quad tabling 50nl when I get my bankroll high enough.


I'm assuming 25NL is fishier, and more active then 50nl. I'd assume people would tighten up and at least play semi-decent at 50nl. Can anyone tell me?

[ville18]

playing tagg @ NL25 is a g00t idea, you don't want to get too tricky there.

I had VPIP of ~15 and PFR% 5-7 and it seemed to work quite well there.