3rd hand of $10+1

[Pingviini]

I really am not sure how to play this. His play screamed a PP TT, JJ or QQ so I quess I should have check-folded on the flop or..?? The problem with CR is that it commits too much chips to the play. It would have gone even trickier if he woulda just called.. I dont really think that folding PF is an option. What about re-raising and if so, how much?

PokerStars Game #2013230374: Tournament #9361238, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/07/01 - 19:46:50 (ET)
Table '9361238 53' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: IndyPaul (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: fly99 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Destok (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: CrewChief97 (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: Pingviini (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: OnlyPlayRagz (1580 in chips)
Seat 7: dogdad44 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: KCoin (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: risktaker1 (1500 in chips)
Pingviini: posts small blind 10
OnlyPlayRagz: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pingviini [Ad Kh]
dogdad44: raises 120 to 140
KCoin: folds
risktaker1: folds
IndyPaul: folds
fly99: folds
Destok: folds
CrewChief97: folds
Pingviini: calls 130
OnlyPlayRagz: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Tc Jc]
Pingviini: checks
dogdad44: bets 200
Pingviini: raises 300 to 500
dogdad44: raises 840 to 1340 and is all-in
Pingviini: folds
dogdad44 collected 1300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Board [As Tc Jc]
Seat 1: IndyPaul folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: fly99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Destok folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CrewChief97 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Pingviini (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: OnlyPlayRagz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: dogdad44 collected (1300)
Seat 8: KCoin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: risktaker1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[gabe]

he raised so much preflop, i would probably push or fold.

[Pingviini]

I dont just like to push or fold at the beginning of the tournament

The problem is that if I put him on TT-QQ (or any other PP except KK-AA) I have about 30% chance of hitting my A or K on the flop. If I dont I am done with the hand and lose the 130 chips. If I do hit A or K I should get at least 130/0.3=~435 chips this play to be profitable. (Correct me if I am wrong, I just try to figure this thing out). Because there is 300 in the pot already I am fairly sure that by checking the A or preferably K to him I would easily get 200 chips in the pot (which actually happened but the texture of the flop was somewhat scary ) BUT I also have to consider that he could have AA or KK as well. A good player (or a bad one) might make such a play. So should I really fold AK to a single raise????? sounds like the best option.

Pushing is out of question, if he doesnt have a hand which I think he has I would get 170 chips. If he calls I am about 55-45 underdog about 65-75% of the time and a major underdog 25-35 of the time.

Thoughts!?

[Wet_DreaMer]

Ill be honest, I dont think his play 'screams' anything here. With no read your at best taking a guess. You really dont have much beat though.

How about QK? AJ? A10? If he is Laggy even JT or Q9 is possible.

Further you have a lot of draws out there he could be semi bluffing. AcQc for example.

I would say your behind and fold, but you played it pretty well.

Whats the buyin?

[Pingviini]

subject: 3rd hand of $10+1

You are correct. At later stages of the tournament it would be easier to put him on a hand. Anyways I am pretty sure I am beat and I dont have enough outs to call, especially with tournament life at stake. And I am pretty sure that I am better than average player at these stakes so losing some chips isnt a catastrophe, no need to gamble with calling his AI..

[gabe]

I dont just like to push or fold at the beginning of the tournament

me neither, but i also don't like just calling a 7bb utg raise and playing the flop out of position.

[face]

You should have raised preflop and bet the flop. Your call/check-raise line makes me think you're drawing/weak if I'm the villain here, and would make me liable to push in. Plus, many people at low levels HATE to get checkraised. I think you are ahead here a lot of the time, and wouldn't be surprised to see villain with KK, QQ, or AQ or even a draw. I just dont see a set pushing in like this... I'm not sure. However, you have very little info about your hand with your line, and it costs a lot. Reraising preflop would at least clarify the situation -- just calls with a weaker ace, pushes with a high PP -- at a cheaper price. Check-raise-fold on the flop seems weak -- lose chips for possibly bogus info. on a flop that is precisely the flop you're looking for with AK.

[mgobluefb]

I would have raised all-in preflop. Yes, I'm more of an accumulist, but frequently you will get calls from AQ, AJ, etc. Personally, I like playing AK very aggressively in tournaments.

[bencathers]

Bet on the flop, if he re-raises or push, fold. Checking on the flop exhibited weakness and lead to the push.