river call against a dumb person

[gabe]

things i know about villian:
1. very loose.
2. thinks online poker is rigged.
3. takes losing pots personally and will let you when your being targeted by him.

i put these things together and thought i was ahead. thoughts?
***** Hand History for Game 2311493996 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:13659433 Level:3 Blinds (15/30) - Monday, July 04, 23:47:08 EDT 2005
Table $5000 Daily Guaranteed(379680) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: scoobydoo447 ( $2630 )
Seat 4: gabefish ( $1455 )
Seat 5: calllot ( $1040 )
Seat 6: Mr_B_Nice ( $1945 )
Seat 7: Jango21 ( $1600 )
Seat 8: shupact ( $320 )
Seat 10: bb2422 ( $1205 )
Seat 1: RPremji ( $630 )
Seat 2: mattyx13 ( $2170 )
Trny:13659433 Level:3
Blinds (15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gabefish [ 5c 5h ]
gabefish calls [30].
calllot folds.
Mr_B_Nice folds.
scoobydoo447: u kiddin me
Jango21 folds.
shupact folds.
bb2422 calls [30].
RPremji folds.
mattyx13 calls [15].
scoobydoo447 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Jd, 8c ]
mattyx13 checks.
scoobydoo447 checks.
gabefish checks.
bb2422 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
mattyx13 checks.
scoobydoo447 checks.
gabefish checks.
bb2422 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
mattyx13 checks.
scoobydoo447 bets [200].
gabefish calls [200].
bb2422 folds.
mattyx13 folds.
scoobydoo447 shows [ 6s, Qs ] a pair of jacks.
gabefish shows [ 5c, 5h ] two pairs, jacks and fives.
gabefish wins 520 chips from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and fives.

[TylerK]

Bet flop? Bet turn? Bet...anywhere?

[gabe]

i bet it headsup, not with so many people and an ace on the board.

[TylerK]

i bet it headsup, not with so many people and an ace on the board.

they checked it to you twice you pussy. what, the 1 guy to act behind you on the turn was slowplaying AJ?

[gabe]

i bet it headsup, not with so many people and an ace on the board.

they checked it to you twice you pussy. what, the 1 guy to act behind you on the turn was slowplaying AJ?

!!!


if he wakes up i fold and lose chips.

[TylerK]

i bet it headsup, not with so many people and an ace on the board.

they checked it to you twice you pussy. what, the 1 guy to act behind you on the turn was slowplaying AJ?

!!!


if he wakes up i fold and lose chips.

If he just rivered a jack and you call, you lose chips, and you let him draw out on you for free.

[Theeggman]

agreet, I'd bet something on the turned 7.

[very_sneaky]

bet somewhere to try to push the pot or create a fold .. remember good players win pots at the showdown .. great players win w/o a showdown.. whenver u can push someone out of hand do it .. either pre flop .. post flop turn ect.. don't let them see free cards either.. even if u bet 3x-4x the bb off the flop he might put u on the ace and u take an easy blind .. food for thought

[gabe]

i am not going to bet the flop, turn or river, 90% of the time. i only get called by hands that beat me.

[journey075]

i am not going to bet the flop, turn or river, 90% of the time. i only get called by hands that beat me.

but you can push out hands that have you beat. if you want to put money in a pot like this, dont be the moron calling.

[gabe]

i am not going to bet the flop, turn or river, 90% of the time. i only get called by hands that beat me.

but you can push out hands that have you beat. if you want to put money in a pot like this, dont be the moron calling.

errr are you calling me a moron?

if i never get called by a better hand, then the only way i will make money is from a worse hand buying the pot.

[Alibi]

it's an mtt....

betting into 3 others with an "underpair" is not how I like to waste my chips.

The call is fine, don't push your luck with betting the turn though, you could be called by any pair on the board.

[journey075]

i am not going to bet the flop, turn or river, 90% of the time. i only get called by hands that beat me.

but you can push out hands that have you beat. if you want to put money in a pot like this, dont be the moron calling.

errr are you calling me a moron?

if i never get called by a better hand, then the only way i will make money is from a worse hand buying the pot.

hehe no im not, but seriously in questionable situations like this wouldnt you like to give yourself some extra outs by betting for fold equity than calling and praying he didnt hit his jack?


i think id just fold the river because i think (even a dumb person) plays the same when he pairs his jack.


anyway, good read.

[gabe]

he was a presence at the table. always chatting and always trying to make moves. i didn't do a good job of illustrating the level of fishiness he personified in my first post, though.

[Wet_DreaMer]

i am not going to bet the flop, turn or river, 90% of the time. i only get called by hands that beat me.

Im with ya on this one, betting out there (postflop, turn or river) is suicide.

Nice play.

[drmcboy]

Why do people keep saying he could have paired the river? It's the second J. If he was beat he was beat on the turn.

g00t play.... in terms of chips it's really a non issue, but I like showing him he can't bluff you out, let him make goofy river moves against someone else.

[Chicago_Kid]

Nice call Gabe. And I think you played the flop and turn ok as well. I might have bet the turn just to see if you could steal it. But, given you had two big stacks in there--one that was a wildcard--caution was appropriate, in my mind.

[elanto]

yeah, the play was fine althgough betting would have also been ok since you had possition (on two players) and they would have folded to your raise.However I know that checking was also a good move since you had a good read on the villain and were going to call a river bet anyway


-anto

[gabe]

betting river would be bad. i only get called by a hand that beats me.

[elanto]

betting river would be bad. i only get called by a hand that beats me.

yes, i know i meant betting the turn or flop after people check to you, but honestly i would have played it like you, just checking and calling the river bet...nice read gabe and nice play overall


-anto

[Staple Gun]

Thats not a good time to try and take the pot on the turn or river. On the turn someone might have hit their straight or flush, and with a fish still in he might call with K-7.