Really tough 400 NL hand, what would you do?

[spino1i]

I have a pretty LAGgy image at the table at this point, raising with a lot of junk and bluffing a lot. Then this hand comes along..

I know very little about villain, he came to the table pretty recently..

Will post the rest of the hand after I get some replys.

***** Hand History for Game 2300377595 *****
$400 NL Hold'em - Saturday, July 02, 22:41:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 36803 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: dsnewark ( $356.75 )
Seat 2: AceUpSleave6 ( $394 )
Seat 5: Mike__Mack ( $146.3 )
Seat 6: Ganyard16 ( $359.1 )
Seat 7: LOLORIVEREDU ( $1115.2 )
Seat 8: zagforlife ( $510.65 )
Seat 9: theeths ( $826.6 )
Seat 10: otomiko2 ( $47.3 )
Seat 3: EvilEcstasy_ ( $588 )
Seat 4: GodsPetMonky ( $490.3 )
Ganyard16 posts small blind [$2].
LOLORIVEREDU is sitting out.
zagforlife posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ Ac Qd ]
theeths folds.
otomiko2 folds.
dsnewark folds.
AceUpSleave6 raises [$12].
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$12].
GodsPetMonky folds.
Mike__Mack folds.
Ganyard16 calls [$10].
zagforlife calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Qh, 2c ]
Ganyard16 checks.
zagforlife bets [$20].
AceUpSleave6 folds.
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$55].
Ganyard16 folds.
zagforlife calls [$35].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
zagforlife checks.
EvilEcstasy_ bets [$100].
zagforlife raises [$200].
AceUpSleave6: what now doyle
EvilEcstasy_ ???

[bencathers]

Was aceupyoursleeve talking to you on that one? Its tough... no read on him at all? What can he possibly have to call your raise??

[stewartkev]

I'd put him on a set probably. Maybe 4s or 2s? There's also the possibility of an overpair or set of Qs. You're right, difficult hand with TPTK an uncoordinated board. Think I'd probably let it go as it looks like he has been stringing you along to get the most money out of it. Then again.........

[a500lbgorilla]

Aces/Queens or a bluff. I actually think it's a bluff (or KQ) here more often than not. If he had AA, he'd probably be worried about you catching up on the river so I'd have to say he raises more than the min.

I assume op doesnt raise with 22/44 in mp.

-'rilla

[gabe]

Aces/Queens or a bluff. I actually think it's a bluff (or KQ) here more often than not. If he had AA, he'd probably be worried about you catching up on the river so I'd have to say he raises more than the min.

I assume op doesnt raise with 22/44 in mp.

-'rilla

reread HH. different villian on different betting rounds.

[Les_Worm]

I'd lay it down b/c I think the villian has a set or overpair.

...Is this high stakes?

[spino1i]

Fairly deepstacked 400 NL yeh from what I know that qualifys as high stakes..

Here is the rest of the hand..

EvilEcstasy_ is all-In [$421]
AceUpSleave6: nice
zagforlife is all-In [$243.65]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
zagforlife shows [ Qs, Ks ] a pair of queens.
EvilEcstasy_ shows [ Ac, Qd ] a pair of queens.
>You have options at Table 36662 Table!.
EvilEcstasy_ wins $77.35 from side pot #1 with a pair of queens with ace kicker.
EvilEcstasy_ wins $1042.3 from the main pot with a pair of queens with ace kicker.
knew it
thats what
vnh
zagforlife has left the table.

[stewartkev]

Nice win. What did you base you push on?

[EssWhyKay]

I fold preflop to an unknown.

[SmackinYaUp]

I fold preflop to an unknown.

When you're on fire, seen as a lag, and have people scared, its ok to get in there and throw some chips around because people make so many more mistakes/play transparent against you. Thats just me on a good day though.

[EssWhyKay]

I didn't know he was "on fire" or had anybody scared. I thought he was just seen as being loose and aggressive.. I don't understand how being seen as LAG and scary changes the fact he has AQ. If your claim is that he can rep a stronger hand than calling there with with 73o works as well.

[SmackinYaUp]

You're right...I don't know he was on fire either. Now that you mention it, AQ is a fold preflop for me to in a full ring game too but I play tighter than an olsen twin's ass in full ring.

[gabe]

I didn't know he was "on fire" or had anybody scared. I thought he was just seen as being loose and aggressive.. I don't understand how being seen as LAG and scary changes the fact he has AQ. If your claim is that he can rep a stronger hand than calling there with with 73o works as well.

because people underestimate LAG's hands.

[SmackinYaUp]

Nice point gabe that is so true.


You know what...maybe I should try laggin it up in a full ring game instead of 6max sometime.