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  1. #1

    Default JTs hitting trips

    PokerStars Game #2130368890: Tournament #10205968, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/07/18 - 09:53:20 (ET)
    Table '10205968 1' Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Bear Dawg (1660 in chips)
    Seat 2: kcaj13 (1530 in chips)
    Seat 3: iopenedmyeye (1440 in chips)
    Seat 4: K9FALK (1320 in chips)
    Seat 5: volfan4 (1920 in chips)
    Seat 6: PSaddict76 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 7: willie775 (1100 in chips)
    Seat 8: CVS-38 (1470 in chips)
    Seat 9: Forty2u (1560 in chips)
    kcaj13: posts small blind 10
    iopenedmyeye: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Forty2u [Js Ts]
    K9FALK: folds
    volfan4: raises 40 to 60
    PSaddict76: folds
    willie775: folds
    CVS-38: folds
    Forty2u: calls 60
    Bear Dawg: calls 60
    kcaj13: folds
    iopenedmyeye: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Kh Jh Jd]
    volfan4: checks
    Forty2u: bets 220
    Bear Dawg: calls 220
    volfan4: folds
    *** TURN *** [Kh Jh Jd] [As]
    Forty2u: bets 220
    Bear Dawg: calls 220
    *** RIVER *** [Kh Jh Jd As] [8s]
    Forty2u: bets 400
    Bear Dawg: raises 760 to 1160 and is all-in
    Forty2u: calls 660 and is all-in
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Bear Dawg: shows [8c Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Eights)
    Forty2u: shows [Js Ts] (three of a kind, Jacks)
    Bear Dawg collected 3210 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3210 | Rake 0
    Board [Kh Jh Jd As 8s]
    Seat 1: Bear Dawg (button) showed [8c Jc] and won (3210) with a full house, Jacks full of Eights
    Seat 2: kcaj13 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: iopenedmyeye (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: K9FALK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: volfan4 folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: PSaddict76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: willie775 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: CVS-38 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Forty2u showed [Js Ts] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks

    Any comments other then fold preflop (which I probably should have)
  2. #2
    brutal... you played it fine. Maybe check the river hoping a K or A bets into you instead of folding, and maybe keep from going broke to the str8 or AJ/KJ, but I can't blame you too much for betting, I think this guy was paying you off if the 8 didn't come. Generally I'd say you're unlikely to be re raised here by a hand you beat.
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    himself fucker.
    VQ, lock this thread.

    It belongs in bad beats.

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  4. #4
    Brutal

    The whole time I figured he'd turn over AJ, KJ, QJ.... I would have folded this hand preflop, and now I see why that's usually good advice. I'm sorry, such a lame way to lose a hand you were ahead and you couldn't possibly know.
  5. #5
    No reason to fold the hand pre-flop. It's a small raise, you have a good implied odds hand (JT suited is one of my favorites), and you have position on the raiser... why not call? However, the flop you're really hoping for is a flush, straight, flush draw, or straight draw. Two pair or trips is a good alternative, but it may get you in more trouble because you may be up against a better hand such as AJ/KJ.

    I'm not crazy about the way this hand was played post-flop. You got lucky to be called by a worse hand (the fact that the fourth jack was even in play was a miracle) and then he got lucky to hit one of his three outs. However, I'd start assuming he had AJ, KJ, or QJ, and slow way the hell down at some point. It looks like you're slightly overbetting the pot on the flop - I'd bet something like 150 or 160 there. Then 250 or so on the turn. Check the river and if he comes back aggressively, you give him credit for a better jack and fold. If he comes back with a cheaper bet, you can call, show down your loser for cheap, and still live to see another day.

    A more aggressive possibility is: bet 150 or 160 on the flop, then check-raise the turn. He's probably going to bet the turn when you check, then you can check-raise and see what his reaction is. If he instantly goes all in, he's got your jack beat and you can fold. If he flat calls (and this doofus probably would), he has a weaker jack or maybe the same hand as you, and you can push on the river. In which case he's still going to hit you with this same bad beat, because no amount of creative play changes the cards that come out.
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    i raise the flop. you still lose the hand, but i raise the flop.

    ps. thanks for bad beat post
  7. #7
    I thought he was playing J10o, which I wouldn't limp with after even a meager raise. But I agree with the call with J10s this early- although personally I try to stay away from drawing hands against preflop raisers. J10s is the best exception though, because if you hit you're going to be taking down a large pot from the action TPTK or better is going to give you- if the other callers are dumb enough to give you odds

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