Analyze this hand..

[ender555]

My table image is I've raised the blinds a lot the last few hands and they are probly curiuos what I have been holding.. been accumulating quickly just won a massive pot when i raised 86s utg and hit a flush on the turn.

Seat 1: ZENNA (6415 in chips)
Seat 2: smartart (1793 in chips)
Seat 3: DannyBoy12 (2968 in chips)
Seat 4: ender555 (10809 in chips)
Seat 5: RUDYJR (12489 in chips)
Seat 6: Crash Davis (5435 in chips)
Seat 7: filky (585 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: fildeez (1427 in chips)
Seat 9: 392joe (3585 in chips)
ZENNA: posts the ante 25
smartart: posts the ante 25
DannyBoy12: posts the ante 25
ender555: posts the ante 25
RUDYJR: posts the ante 25
Crash Davis: posts the ante 25
filky: posts the ante 25
fildeez: posts the ante 25
392joe: posts the ante 25
ZENNA: posts small blind 100
smartart: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ender555 [Kd Kc]
DannyBoy12: raises 400 to 600
ender555: raises 1200 to 1800
RUDYJR: calls 1800
Crash Davis: folds
filky: folds
fildeez: folds
392joe: folds
ZENNA: folds
smartart: folds
DannyBoy12: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Qd Qh 7s]
DannyBoy12: bets 1143 and is all-in
ender555: calls 1143
RUDYJR: calls 1143
*** TURN *** [Qd Qh 7s] [5s]
ender555: checks
RUDYJR: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qd Qh 7s 5s] [8h]
ender555: checks
RUDYJR: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DannyBoy12: shows [9c 9h] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
ender555: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
RUDYJR: shows [As Kh] (a pair of Queens)
ender555 collected 9354 from pot
ender555 said, "WHEW"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9354 | Rake 0
Board [Qd Qh 7s 5s 8h]
Seat 1: ZENNA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: smartart (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: DannyBoy12 showed [9c 9h] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 4: ender555 showed [Kd Kc] and won (9354) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 5: RUDYJR showed [As Kh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Crash Davis folded before Flop (didn't bet)


My thoughts were, strange call from the seat to my left, i figured he had AA... Then the flop came and he calls the all in after me, which suggests he has a Q or AA again. Was it right ot check down after this? I couldve lost the hand had an A come on the turn or river..

[very_sneaky]

u won the pot .. take it stride ..

[ender555]

yeah but i dont think i played it well

[TanO]

You're both expecting the short stack to push on the flop, whatever comes, so the call is fine by you, his AK call is stupid.

You should be the turn, if the guy behind you had a queen he 'should' reraise to defend the flush. If he just calls you can check the river, but I think he'd fold.

Need to know if its a freeroll and how late in the tourney to get any kind of read, but the guy shouldn't be playing AQ when UTG and UTG+1 were the raisers in the pot. So you can fairly surely say he hasn't got it and you're ahead.

Final point - put in your notes for RUDYJR that he can't lay down a good starting hand, so not to try and bluff him with nothing.

[Pingviini]

On turn or on river at latest you can be fairly sure that the guy doesnt have a Q so it is ok for you to make a value bet there, he might have called that if he held a medium PP. Still your thoughts about his hand make sense, just remember the level you are playing before you make any "solid reads" about your opponents..

[drmcboy]

On turn or on river at latest you can be fairly sure that the guy doesnt have a Q

based on?? I'd play a Q just like he did on the flop. Tricky hand, I like your line. IMO this is a spot you have to risk someone catching up just in case you're way behind.

[chardrian]

I wouldn't have bet the turn, I would've raised the flop. With the guy on your left calling preflop you gotta see where he's at on that flop. Does he have JQ,QK,QA (even TQ suited)?? You had raised to 1800 preflop and now u r just calling 1143?? I don't think the call with AK was bad there (I woulda put you on TT-AA, AK-AJs) - he easily coulda thought he had 6 outs or even that had u beat with a hand like Ax suited. I woulda raised the flop to probably 3,000. If he calls that then yeah I'm checking down.

[gabe]

i raise flop, bet turn and maybe check river if i think hes trapping me with AQ.

[chardrian]

i raise flop, bet turn and maybe check river if i think hes trapping me with AQ.

If you raise flop (which you should), IMO your only bet on the turn at this point would be all-in so there would be no check on the river. If you had raised the flop to just 3,000 and got called the pot would be over 12,000 and you are down to 6,000 chips.

I don't mind the push there, but I don't think you have enough chips left to just bet another 3,000 and then check. At that point you either ahve the hand won or you got trapped, so it's put up or shut up time.

[TanO]

like gabe said, you bet the turn, if he's got a Queen, he's gonna bet allin over the top, unless he's made a full house, which is even more unlikely.

Does he have JQ,QK,QA (even TQ suited)??

No, No, Maybe and No.

The betting preflop means its very unlikely he has these hands unless he is a complete donk. Even for him to hold AQ is a poor preflop play.

[gabe]

i raise flop, bet turn and maybe check river if i think hes trapping me with AQ.

If you raise flop (which you should), IMO your only bet on the turn at this point would be all-in so there would be no check on the river. If you had raised the flop to just 3,000 and got called the pot would be over 12,000 and you are down to 6,000 chips.

I don't mind the push there, but I don't think you have enough chips left to just bet another 3,000 and then check. At that point you either ahve the hand won or you got trapped, so it's put up or shut up time.

raising flop to 2500, bet another 2000 on turn for value. pushing only gets called by hands that beat you (AA/AQ/KQ/77). i assume i'm ahead most of the time and don't want to drive the guy out of the pot. there are no real draws so underbetting pot alot isn't really a problem.

[chardrian]

i raise flop, bet turn and maybe check river if i think hes trapping me with AQ.

If you raise flop (which you should), IMO your only bet on the turn at this point would be all-in so there would be no check on the river. If you had raised the flop to just 3,000 and got called the pot would be over 12,000 and you are down to 6,000 chips.

I don't mind the push there, but I don't think you have enough chips left to just bet another 3,000 and then check. At that point you either ahve the hand won or you got trapped, so it's put up or shut up time.

raising flop to 2500, bet another 2000 on turn for value. pushing only gets called by hands that beat you (AA/AQ/KQ/77). i assume i'm ahead most of the time and don't want to drive the guy out of the pot. there are no real draws so underbetting pot alot isn't really a problem.

If we actually get to the turn after a flop raise I'm not so sure betting another 2,000 "for value" does anything. I agree that generally pushing only gets called by hands that beat you, but I think in this situation anything you bet only gets called by hands that beat you. If he's in suck out mode he's still gonna let you keep betting and then will wait till u stop to make his own bet at how much more he thinks he can take from you. If he's gonna call any bet with a beaten hand (like AK) by the turn he will also call your push since neither of you have tons of ammo anymore. What it comes down to by the turn is that he either has you or he doesn't and likewise, he either thinks he has u beat or he doesn't. I still say it's put up or shut up time by the turn after a flop raise.

[Miffed22001]

I am taking my KK and i am showing it to the table before putting my chips in the middle. If someone has an ace then... fine they are getting some abuse over the chat if they hit it. If not then everyone is now going to know that when i raise in the blinds i have nice big juicy hands that dominate them so badly they'll cry when i do it repeatedly. Thus they wont call my steals.
On a sensible note if i can get anybody to commit their stack with a weaker hand then ill make it happen. Here i think he mite and you have the second best hand preflop in poker. If he doesnt commit youve won those chips uncontested, its like a free add-on. If he does call and you lose im calling it a beat and waiting for my next hand. And even better he'll call you next time with any old crap. Then you can have his stack not just his raise. Really use that aggression when you have a hand and have created a set-up situation like you have for this guy here.

p.s bet the flop. Think on the turn for a while then bet a small amount, anything but a raise and you have him beat. On the river? See how much you can get out of him.