I dislike overbets

[Alibi]

PokerStars Game #2179223632: Tournament #10463657, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/07/24 - 20:35:30 (ET)
Table '10463657 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: dglees (1240 in chips)
Seat 5: mav40 (2230 in chips)
Seat 6: WillyWonka17 (1800 in chips)
Seat 7: HoboJaws (3030 in chips)
Seat 8: fxdwg_100 (2395 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: thebigblue66 (2805 in chips)
WillyWonka17: posts small blind 50
HoboJaws: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HoboJaws [9h 9d]
fxdwg_100: folds
thebigblue66: folds
dglees: folds
mav40: folds
WillyWonka17: raises 200 to 300
HoboJaws: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [2s 4c 4s]
WillyWonka17: bets 1500 and is all-in
HoboJaws ???

[Jimmy Mac]

This is annoying.... he probably has AK and is pooing himself. You can afford to fold here though.

[gabe]

i push preflop.

if i just call the preflop raise, i'll call his flop bet too.

Definite push. If he has higher pair, then whatever. More likely he has Ax or something. x < 9

[vqc]

why would u push preflop here? the blinds are at 50/100 and you have 3k chips. Theres a big chance hes just steaking, but do u realyl need to risk losing half ur stack?

I call the all in becuase hes full of crap, any over pair would milk it and try and build up a stack.

[ignored]

I'd call him. With a higher pocket i think he would have raised more. I think he is on a steal. What was the outcome?

[melinda27]

i reraise him preflop. But not having done that I probably call with the 9s but fold your 99

[drmcboy]

Can't fold 99 here, especially after the smooth call. Pre flop the play is either make it about 900 to go or a push, dependent on which is more likely to fold him out.

Is it possible he made this play because you're so tight you won't raise with 99 against the SB?

[Rondavu]

It's a tough one. TT and JJ might act this way after getting a flop they like with no overs to their pair. Then again, 77 and 88 would act this way too. Other than that, it's a board he's hoping you both missed, and he's on a steal.

I call, because there are only two hands that seem to be beating you. TT is the most likely given the bet. JJ might just bet pot I think. Push and hope he doesn't have TT or JJ.

[dalecooper]

I think 70% of the time he's stealing, 15% of the time he has a smaller pair than yours, and 15% of the time he has tens or jacks. I'm calling.

[rubixstreub]

why would u push preflop here? the blinds are at 50/100 and you have 3k chips. Theres a big chance hes just steaking, but do u realyl need to risk losing half ur stack?

I call the all in becuase hes full of crap, any over pair would milk it and try and build up a stack.

Agree with questioning of preflop push and I agree with the reasoning to call here.

I'd say 75%+ of early pushes like this after a semi-scary flop are Ace High idiots trying to get their overbet back.

[gabe]

why would u push preflop here?

makes people scared of stealing your blind.

[rubixstreub]

why would u push preflop here?

makes people scared of stealing your blind.

Point taken, didn't realize the SB was first to bet.

[DavSimon]

Well I have a slightly different take on this hand. He could have A-A or K-K here. He is disappointed that it gets folded to him, but does not want to limp aces from the SB. He goes for a 3x raise and prays for a call.
1. He says crap....two suited and paired flop I gotta take this now....puuuush.
2. He says it is unlikely that somone calling a rasie hit that flop....lemme stomp the flop to make it look like a lame steal attempt...I might get called by a middle PP or A-K, either way nothing to lose by going for it.

I go with option 2, I have done it with decent results....sometimes fast play pays better than a slow play.

EDIT:
BTW - I also push those nines there, you will give yourself 2 ways to win...either he folds or you have the best hand. As gabe says it will certainly discourage limping and raising you blind unless they really have something.

[Staple Gun]

Push pre-flop, call after the flop. Your losing if he has overpair either way.

[Jimmy Mac]

Tell us what happened Ameoba - Dav has convinced me he has the Aces now