Folding a Set.

[ashleybb]

Hello FTR! (ta SinkRox for referring me to an awesome forum)

HH as follows (i have pkt 8s)

> Dealing Hole Cards
> NoSense folded
> SinkRox folded
> moffrebus raised for $0.40
> dazpro300 called for $0.40
> MCSPOON folded
> Haylze folded
> Ashleybb called for $0.30 (8,8)
> TheYasbelKid called for $0.20
> Dealing the Flop(2ª3ª8§)
> Ashleybb checked
> TheYasbelKid checked
> moffrebus bet for $1.80
> dazpro300 called for $1.80
> Ashleybb raised for $3.60
> TheYasbelKid folded
> moffrebus called for $1.80
> dazpro300 called for $1.80
> Dealing the turn(Jª)
> Ashleybb checked
> moffrebus checked
> dazpro300 went all-in for $5.20
> Ashleybb, you have 10 seconds to respond
> Ashleybb, you have 5 seconds to respond
> Ashleybb folded
> moffrebus called for $5.20
> Dealing the river(2¨)
> dazpro300 shows One Pair, Deuces
(2ª2¨K¨Jª8§)
> moffrebus shows a Flush, Spades
(AªJª7ª3ª2ª)
> moffrebus wins $21.70 with a Flush, Spades


when the guy who scooped the pot raised I put him on a Ax, and he called my value raise so quick i thought he might have been flushing. Who knows what the other kid was doing with the ol King deuce, lol, of course i would of caught the house which was irritating (was i getting odds to call for my stack?, had about 23$ on 20$ sit down as did moffre). Should my raise of been bigger? i thought to myself i would chuck if i saw another spade, maybe i was getting greedy and should of gone all in for the pot right there, and if he wanted to suck out so be it. Thoughts anyone??

[SinkRox]

Hey ash welcome to the boards!

heres my 2c..

at the flop the pot is 1.3, first to act overbets it by raising 1.8, next to act flat calls.. pot is 4.9 and min re-raising encourages the flush draws to stay in a bit too much, especially when theres 2 ops I'd raise to at least $4 maybe even a nice $5 This also helps juice up the pot so you get better odds in later rounds.

after the turn allin pot is 13.4 so you dont quite have odds to call the $5 on your 10 outer... if you whack 5 in here you need an $18 pot to call with 10 outs http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/pot...calculator.php - sometimes i actrually wack their raise in on that site during the 20secs you have to call to see if you have the right size pot for your # of outs.

you said you were sure that last to act was flushing it and hit and would call the turn allin, in this case he helps give you odds if he calls behind you or pushes allin (which was only ~2 more if i remember rightly).

all in all this was quite a tricky situation and u made a very disciplined lay knowing one of them had hit their flush - but i would of called at the turn with almost pot odds (IF op 1 deffo has flush) and great odds if op 3 behind you comes along for the ride.

[BobbySalami]

I think I hammer the flop a bit harder...with that flush draw out there and all the people in the pot I want them to pay a lot more to see the next card. Then if this is done you would have committed yourself to the pot by the turn and not have to make a difficult decision.

Oh, and Ill have to thanks SinkRox for bringing someone else with these lovely hand histories to the boards.......... .......

[outphase]

What's the line that Fnord said ages ago?

"You have 10 outs to a boat or better, folding here is criminal"

[SinkRox]

yeh bobbi I was thinking of making a quick macro or script to convert them as they are really dodgy hand histories!

[jmontis]

sets bring home the bacon, and you have good outs to win. If the pot is big, I'm getting my money in.

[ashleybb]

Superb response... thank you FTR!

plus many thanks outphase for making me see something which is blinding obvious LOL

[TalentedTom]

Yeah hammer the flop like there's no tomorrow, if he wants to move all in on a flush draw then so be it. He will improve 1/3 of the time, but so will you, and your draw is stronger than his.

[ashleybb]

Yeah hammer the flop like there's no tomorrow, if he wants to move all in on a flush draw then so be it. He will improve 1/3 of the time, but so will you, and your draw is stronger than his.

absolutely SUPERB advice Tom cheers mate, i didnt even think about my house draw being stronger!

[Rondavu]

yeh bobbi I was thinking of making a quick macro or script to convert them as they are really dodgy hand histories!

Am I missing something? There's a converter at FTR isn't there?

[SinkRox]

yeh bobbi I was thinking of making a quick macro or script to convert them as they are really dodgy hand histories!

Am I missing something? There's a converter at FTR isn't there?

This is not a recognized hand history format.

It doesnt work with Prima/Ladbrokes HH's

Ash, different situation but last night I limped UTG with 33, someone raised to $1 and about 3 people and myself flat called.. flop is TJ3 2 to flush and pot is ~$4 I imediatly check UTG and someone raises just $1.. next to act raises to $4 pot is now ~$9 ... so no messing about I drop the hammer and re-raise allin thinking pots big enough and at least one will hopefully call... but they both did Second to act had TJ for 2pair and I took home a sweet $50 pot

[outphase]

Superb response... thank you FTR!

plus many thanks outphase for making me see something which is blinding obvious LOL

You're welcome for that. One other thing I figured out, your minraise on the flop was dangerous, but I assume you know that by now.

[ashleybb]

Ash, different situation but last night I limped UTG with 33

Yeh ROxxxy dunno mate, lovely pot of course, but i was limping with crappy pairs from all pos. all last night, and calling little raises in the hope of flopping a set, but it only happened once in about 7 hours of play lol! i know that it is a 7.5/1 chance (am i right?? could be wrong there) but it was a BIG drain on the old bag of virtual pennies, the pay off i got didnt even cover the pay out on limping and calling smallish raises with pkt xx. Can anyone shed some indepth science and Maths into these scenarios??

[SinkRox]

imo its +ev to play any pkt pair in any pos even for a raise of 5-7BB if you both have 100BBs or more. ...But this is why we need poker tracker, so we can see the outcomes of every time we play 22-77 in EP etc.

In one of my books i think its bob ciaffone recommends only playing 22-77 in LP with pos on the raiser but this is something I will look into when at higher stakes.. currently Im sure ive made lotsa $$ playing 22-77 in EP at microstakes.

Also dont get mad about not flopping a set for so long, sometimes you get a mad run and flop a fair few in a few hours...it all averages out. I think its 8-1 chance to flop set or better, maybe 8.5-1