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    Default Your play - Fold or Move All In

    ------HAND 5------
    Game #961362643: Texas Hold'em No Limit (1200/2400) - 2005/08/29 - 22:53:50 (UK)
    Table "Tourney 1004332 - 2" Seat 5 is the button.
    Seat 1: Roberto77 (6663 in chips)
    Seat 2: Dinghy (8590 in chips)
    Seat 3: fonmuller (12880 in chips)
    Seat 5: ars99 (53890 in chips)
    Seat 6: Rooster4 (21934 in chips)
    Seat 7: rixjacob1 (15002.50 in chips)
    Seat 8: Vesok1 (61950 in chips)
    Seat 9: LFC84 (18410 in chips)
    Seat 10: Pepe84 (9906 in chips)
    Rooster4: posts the ante 300
    rixjacob1: posts the ante 300
    Vesok1: posts the ante 300
    LFC84: posts the ante 300
    Pepe84: posts the ante 300
    Roberto77: posts the ante 300
    Dinghy: posts the ante 300
    fonmuller: posts the ante 300
    ars99: posts the ante 300
    Rooster4: posts small blind 1200
    rixjacob1: posts big blind 2400
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Dinghy [9s 5c]
    Vesok1: folds
    LFC84: folds
    Pepe84: folds
    Roberto77: folds
    Dinghy????

    (down to the last 18 same money for 11-20)

    Whats your play and why
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    um...you might as well.

    - 9/5 likely gives you two clean cards and avoids total domination.
    - You might not get another first-in chance b4 the blinds hit you.
    - Your M approximates 2.5.
    - Anything closer to the blinds makes it more likely you get called.
    - If they fold around, you almost double up.
    - If they fold around, you will probably have to go in again pretty soon anyway, so gam--BOL...

    If you lose, so be it.
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    how loose is the table? do you think you will be called by ace high?
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    Chicago_Kid - this was my thinking when it got folded to me - I think the M is about 1.6 here

    gabe - good point - table had been playing tight, didn't see any allin getting called by just ace rag.

    Gabe would you wait for a decent hand before doing this if the table was loose.

    Triptanes - lol
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    Raise to $8K so you don't get the little "all in" tag over your head. Maybe no one will notice you have no chips left.
    To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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    Demiparadigm - have seen folk do that but it never seems to make a difference if you run in to a big hand they are going to play no matter what.
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    gambool
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    Well, unfortunately, you don`t have time left to camp and wait for a monster starting hand. You have to push, instead of being blinded to death.

    If you get called by 2 higher cards, so be it. You`re favourite in aproximately 32%. If you consider that the table is tight, and you have the first in vigorish, then you should assume that you have at least 20% of chances that people will fold around to your push. So, it gives you at least 52% of chances. I would take it.
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    I guess it's a decent move at a tight table, but it's likely you had a better hand the hand before and probably would have a better hand the next hand, when you are in position 1. Why this particular hand?
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    Maybe your next hand will be better, but why don`t take the chance with 4 people folding before you?

    Maybe you will be called anyway, but the fewer the callers the better. it`s time to gamble, unfortunately your only way to survive.
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    Why this particular hand?
    read Chicago's post.
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    gotta push
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    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Why this particular hand?
    read Chicago's post.
    Except for M..math skills fail sometimes...
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    just to let you know the outcome i pushed which i believe to be the correct play and got called by the small blind with KK.

    I think this play will only be called by a player with a PP or a loose player with a Ahigh hand.
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    the problem here is leverage, if you think they are tight and fold anything but good hands go ahead and AI. But if they have any understanding about pot odds they will call you with any mediocre cards. ~1-2.5 odds are descent..

    I call these pushes with A&mediorce kicker, ANY PP, 2 face cards etc any day and twice on sundays.(when I have a descent stack and can afford to lose some gamblings..)
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    are you afraid of a bit of GAMBooL?
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    Pingviini - fully agree with what u are saying - what percentage of your stack are you willing to make this kind of call?

    I think the only hand you fear when you push with nothing is a PP higher than your cards - would be happy to see high cards.

    Miffed22001 - prefer to make the correct decision than leave it to hope.

    done this play after reading HOH 1 & 2 its not a play i've done before - was interested if other players do this, hence the topic.
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    apologies
    To explain my comment further. As others have said youre so short stacked its too good an oppertunity to miss. (its actually credible imo that you dont mind getting this short stacked) You have situation here in that its been folded round and you are hu so i'd push any two no matter what i held. Including rockets. The only problem is i think you get called by any two 9 or higher.
    But to reiterate. Dont be afraid of some gambOOl here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pingviini
    the problem here is leverage, if you think they are tight and fold anything but good hands go ahead and AI. But if they have any understanding about pot odds they will call you with any mediocre cards. ~1-2.5 odds are descent..

    I call these pushes with A&mediorce kicker, ANY PP, 2 face cards etc any day and twice on sundays.(when I have a descent stack and can afford to lose some gamblings..)
    The bigger concern here is getting AI first. I define leverage as relative stack size, and your stack ain't getting any better each hand. Since you have that first-in vigorish, and likely will not have that chance again, gamble it up. If you get lucky, a double up puts you in pretty good shape relatively speaking. Alternatively, winning the blinds and antes is a huge increase to your stack.

    Your "leverage" only gets weaker as you move towards the blinds more players are behind you and your move will look more and more like a desparation move, lowering their hand requirements to call. Thus a move with Dolly P. looks like a bigger hand which could cause tighties to fold better hands. Maybe this what you mean by leverage?
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    no probs - no offence taking

    I lost quite a lot of chips due to not being able to blind steal in the later stages as either the action had already been opened or the players to my left were short stacked and i don't like trying to steal off players who are likely to move with any decent hand.
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    You have to push here. Next hand a big stack has the bb, and will likely call then with K high, pp or decent connecters. This hand you have 2 short stacks on the blinds. Both of them will loose significant portions of their stacks if they call and loose. The actual cards matter less--unless u get lucky and hit a big hand, any one who calls u will be a favourite next hand too.

    "...i think you get called by any two 9 or higher. " No way the BB or SB risks becoming shortstack with T9 or JT or even QT. I think they won't call without a hand QJ or better.
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    M= 1.36 .. q = practically none.. coinflip hope for heads up
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    True true, pushing is the right way to do.

    About calling this push. I would personally be willing to jepardize about 25-35% of my stack with A&mediorce kicker, ANY PP, 2 face cards..
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    Pingviini - need to start adding that to my game - i would only usually call if i had a good hand - will need to give this a try the next time when i'm facing a player with a low M.
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    Well if you had read the HoH's you should know the fundamentals, if you dont, read HoH2 again.
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