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  1. #1

    Default Ouch...

    Comments appreciated. I really thought I had more than 5 outs...

    FullTiltPoker Game #203076845: Table Johnson (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:33:45 ET - 2005/08/31
    Seat 1: kkanes ($79.10)
    Seat 2: JRSVC ($543.50)
    Seat 3: andr3w321 ($671.60)
    Seat 4: Zeus9 ($182.40)
    Seat 5: capotebone ($768.10)
    Seat 6: Doodle147 ($145.60)
    JRSVC posts the small blind of $2
    andr3w321 posts the big blind of $4
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to andr3w321 [:Qh: :As:]
    Zeus9 calls $4
    capotebone folds
    Doodle147 folds
    kkanes folds
    JRSVC calls $2
    andr3w321 checks
    *** FLOP *** [:Ah: :Kh:]
    JRSVC bets $8
    andr3w321 calls $8
    Zeus9 raises to $32
    JRSVC raises to $75
    andr3w321 has 15 seconds left to act
    andr3w321 raises to $667.60, and is all in
    Zeus9 calls $146.40, and is all in
    JRSVC: jesus
    JRSVC calls $464.50, and is all in
    andr3w321 shows [Qh As]
    Zeus9 shows [ ]
    JRSVC shows [:Th: ]
    Uncalled bet of $128.10 returned to andr3w321
    *** TURN *** [Ah 8h Kh] []
    *** RIVER *** [Ah 8h Kh 6c] [:Qc:]
    andr3w321 shows two pair, Aces and Queens
    JRSVC shows a flush, Ace high
    JRSVC wins the side pot ($722.20) with a flush, Ace high
    Zeus9 shows a flush, Ace high
    JRSVC wins the main pot ($544.20) with a flush, Ace high
    Zeus9 is sitting out
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $1,269.40 Main pot $547.20. Side pot $722.20. | Rake $3
    Board: [Ah 8h Kh 6c Qc]
    Seat 1: kkanes (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: JRSVC (small blind) showed [Th 2h] and won ($1,266.40) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 3: andr3w321 (big blind) showed [Qh As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
    Seat 4: Zeus9 showed [4h 3h] and lost with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 5: capotebone didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: Doodle147 didn't bet (folded)
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    No preflop raise even on the bb with AQ
    I think there are a lot of things i would have done differently on this hand, including folding to the raise/reraise behind me and raising preflop from the bb.
    Still, i dont think i can put the draw to the nut flush down here for what could potentially be such a massive pot.
    I dont think i have 5 outs here im thinking seven (two pair/set vs made flush vs your draw to the nut flush)
    So while i dont like this play i think i make it anyway looking for the win on a massive pot.
    Probably i should be saying put it down on the flop but i dont think i can really say that with much conviction...
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    If it was HU I say your play is fine, but vs 2 opponents who is both hammering its time to fold without a very solid read. They aint letting go and both are scared of the turn card, so set/2p or a weak flush is my guess. And since they are 2, assuming one has the weak flush aint wrong.

    The only time that I see you getting a slight +EV is if both is holding the 2 pair. It aint worth the risk.
  4. #4
    andr3w33ww3-

    just curious to know a little more about your perception of AQ in 6MAX in general. personally, i like to reraise that sucker from just about anywhere at anytime and raise it from SB/BB if it's limped to me like that. of course that is a generalization, but that's what i'm asking: what is your general approach to AQ in 6MAX? AQ is one of those hands that you want to limp with in full ring, but it gets a bump to the 'reraiseable' category in shorthanded games. had you done it there for like a $12 raise, you probably wouldn't have run into a troublesome flop (or a flop at all, for that matter).

    meh...
    In answer to your question... it depends...
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    I raise preflop.
    I also raise on the flop and if someone reraises me and then it gets re-re-raised I lay it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alias2211
    andr3w33ww3-

    just curious to know a little more about your perception of AQ in 6MAX in general. personally, i like to reraise that sucker from just about anywhere at anytime and raise it from SB/BB if it's limped to me like that. of course that is a generalization, but that's what i'm asking: what is your general approach to AQ in 6MAX? AQ is one of those hands that you want to limp with in full ring, but it gets a bump to the 'reraiseable' category in shorthanded games. had you done it there for like a $12 raise, you probably wouldn't have run into a troublesome flop (or a flop at all, for that matter).

    meh...
    I mix it up from the blinds and from other positions. Sometimes I'll just call/limp in sometimes I'll reraise with it. It varies. Same thing with AK. Similar situation with AJ in ep shorthanded. I'll raise about 50% and just limp in 50%.

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