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  1. #1

    Default Two suited kings for analysis (KTs and K7s)

    In Hand 1 I want to know if I should just fold or if I should go along for a three handed showdown where the winner takes 1'st place. Folding means I will probably be all in for the BB next hand and calling means I'm probably a little behind.
    My read says they both have at least one high card, but could be anything down to JT. BB probably a bit stronger hand. Both could make moves to steal with medium hands and had played aggressive.

    For Hand 2 I wonder if my push was ok?

    Hand 1:
    Single table 10+1$ SnG, ITM with 3 players left
    Blinds are at 320/640
    Stacks before posting the Blinds:
    Hero 3560$
    BB 2880$
    UTG 3560$
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    Dealt to Hero:

    ------------------
    OpeningBetRound
    ------------------
    Hero (SB): Posts small blind 320.00
    BB: Posts big blind 640.00
    UTG : Raises for 1280.00
    Hero: Calls for 960.00
    BB: Went all-in 2240.00
    UTG : Went all-in 2280.00 (Thinking long time)
    Hero:


    *********************************
    Hand 2:
    Single table 10+1$ SnG with 5 players left
    Blinds are at 160/320
    My stack is 1380 before posting the BB
    ------------------
    Dealt to Hero:

    ------------------
    OpeningBetRound
    ------------------
    SB: Posts small blind 160.00
    Hero (BB): Posts big blind 320.00
    UTG: Folds
    MP: Folds
    CO: Calls for 320.00
    SB: Folds
    Hero: Went all-in 1060.00
    CO: Calls for 1060.00 (after thinking for 29.9 sec)
    Hero shows
    CO shows
    ------------------
    Flop

    ------------------
    Turn

    ------------------
    River

    ------------------
    Showdown
    ------------------
    CO
    - One Pair - Q's
    Hero
    - No Pair
    ------------------
    Result
    ------------------
    Hero Left the tournament in 5'th place
    CO (Winning) 2920.00
    ------------------
    ************************************************** ******
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  2. #2
    Hand one raise or fold pre flop (my choice fold). As played I think you give it up, these guys appear to have hands. You're best case even money ish against say AT and 55, but soo easy to be dominated here. Big price on the pot so I don't really hate a call either, calling the min raise puts you in a really weird spot. With blinds this high you shouldn't be putting money in the pot unless you're ready to gambool with the hand.

    Hand 2 - standard.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Hand one raise or fold pre flop (my choice fold). As played I think you give it up, these guys appear to have hands. You're best case even money ish against say AT and 55, but soo easy to be dominated here. Big price on the pot so I don't really hate a call either, calling the min raise puts you in a really weird spot. With blinds this high you shouldn't be putting money in the pot unless you're ready to gambool with the hand.
    Sometimes three handed I like to call the aggressor/stealer for up tp 1/3 of my stack and then push the flop when first to act. That was my plan. Stupid?

    When the BB pushed I have pot odds and can play for both 1'st or split 2'nd, but I would probably be underdog. Folding means I will be short stacked and probably have to push next hand and with a good chance of having to settle for 2'nd. I find these hands difficult, because of the big blinds.
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  4. #4
    It's not terrible, but look at the price the BB is getting on his hand. He pretty much has to call, and is likely going to figure if he's calling anyway, he may as well move in if he's got anything better than crap. But the point is you have to assume he is at least calling. Do you want to play K7 here three way? No. BB may call anyway, but if you're playing here I think you just move it in pre flop to try and get the pot HU.

    I know what you mean, with blinds @ 10 % of chips in play, you can't do much but gamble.
  5. #5
    Hand 1) Dont call the raise.

    Hand 2) Standard.
  6. #6
    ok, thanks guys.
    The conclusion is clear. I should have folded PRF or pushed.
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  7. #7
    What happend:
    I called and the three handed all in went like this:

    Hero (SB)

    BB

    UTG


    Flop

    Turn

    River


    Hero: Pair - 7's (2'nd place + 25$)
    BB: No Pair - Ace high (2'nd place + 25$)
    UTG: Pair - J's (1'st place + 50$)
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    Hand 1 made me laugh. EVERYONE has less than 10 bets. Your ONLY choice is push or fold. You should pretend like the call button is completely disabled.

    Hand 2 made me laugh. Do you even post this hand if the opponent doesn't suck out on you?

    There seems to be a new generation of posters who don't understand where their money is comming from when they play SnGs.

    These posters MUST post more. (And don't get put off when I act like an asshole to you.)

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  9. #9
    1. Let those two guys duke it out. Shouldn't have called in the first place with those blinds. You gotta see how your stack compares to the blinds. Calling commits you here, but since they other two are AI you can just fold and be content for atleast 2nd and play for 1st. Although it worked out you both made 2nd.

    2. Just a bad beat, it happens.
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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Hand 1 made me laugh. EVERYONE has less than 10 bets. Your ONLY choice is push or fold. You should pretend like the call button is completely disabled.

    Hand 2 made me laugh. Do you even post this hand if the opponent doesn't suck out on you?

    There seems to be a new generation of posters who don't understand where their money is comming from when they play SnGs.

    These posters MUST post more. (And don't get put off when I act like an asshole to you.)

    -'rilla
    No problem, I will continue to make you laugh in the future

    Hand 1: Maybe my question here should be if K7s is a good enough hand to ride with in these situations, given my position and that the first raiser was aggressive enough to raise with anything. I get the push or fold point, but what then, push or fold?

    Hand 2: I don't mind the bad beat here. My question is really if the timing of the push is good with KTs. It's just that KT-K2 (suited or not) are hands I find hard to play with confidence. Any advice?

    Unfortunately I do not have much time to play these days, because I have some studies to finish. I plan to play more next year to get the practice I need to improve. I will continue to play 10+1$ SnGs when I find the time though. My last 25 games have resulted in 1x1'st , 7x2'nd and 3x3'd, so I'm ITM 46%, but really need to improve my ITM play. (Notice that I didn't ask if these are good stats, so no one needs to comment the small sample size )
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    Hand 1 was a clear fold. You don't push K7o there and suitedness doesnt add THAT much showdown value. If UTG folded, you could push here with any two cards. But since UTG raised and you KNOW the hand is going to showdown you can really only push with the top hands (good pairs, strong aces and KQs.)

    So had UTG folded, you instapush, but once UTG puts chips in the pot you run away scared.

    Hand 2 was an excellent push. Here since you have so few chips and a hand with decent showdown value you're safe to put all your chips in. Since you'll be cripped the next hand. KTs is just about at the bottom of your pushing range on this hand though. I'd also push K9s.

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  12. #12
    ok, that was clear and simple
    Thank you
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  13. #13
    Hand#1 isa fold
    Hand#2: good push

    In the future please post stack sizes as well


  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by TLR
    In the future please post stack sizes as well
    I did for hand 1 at least.
    With many players it's a bit difficult, since expekt poker does not supply stack sizes in their report files. I have emailed their support about it several times and they promise to look into it for upgrades in the near future.
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