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  1. #1
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    Default Beginning hands of the tournament

    Note this is a $5+$0.5 SNG

    It's been about an orbits, I picked up the blinds once, I got through the blinds once. 1500 chips

    blinds are 10/20

    Another guy with about 1510 chips raises to 120
    one guy calls

    I look down to see two queens
    I raise to 400 so that the caller folds

    the raiser pushes
    I think he can have AQ/AK/JJ so I call

    He turns over KK

    Should I lay that hand down since he reraised me after I reraised him?
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    Default Re: Beginning hands of the tournament

    To be honest, in the $5's, especially in the early levels, this all-in reraise could be pulled with a wide variety of hands.

    I've seen this executed with low to mid pocket pairs, ATs+, etc.

    So your call could be justified if you felt like gambling early.

    In your situation, I might just flat call and think about pushing on any flop without a A or K.
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    I'm paying this guy off everytime with QQ in a $5 SNG. People will push all the time with AT+, 88+, KQs... Very wide variety of hands crazy opponents push with in these tournies, but you are the favorite more often than not. How tight / aggressive is your opponent? If he is very tight, he could have AK, KK, or AA, in which you are either a coinflip or dominated. However, if he is very aggressive / loose, I pay him off everytime.
  4. #4
    What is your read on the guy ? After 10 orbits you should have a good read on him.

    If you meant 10 hands and not 10 orbits then I would probably push as well


  5. #5
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    Sorry, meant to say either "10 hands" or "an orbit"


    so no reads

    but I guess I'm paying him off
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    people will come back over the top with shitty hands. i pay him off.
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    himself fucker.
    With the range you put him on {JJ+, AQ+} you should fold becuase your hand doesnt fair well against this range (I think. May be wrong)

    But I believe your range is inaccurate and could easily include smaller pairs and weaker Aces and strong kings.

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    Early in a $5 tournament he could be reraising with anything. I've seen people do it with TT or AJ. something similar happened to me the other day when I had QQ first hand and someone reraised me and I pushed him -- he had AQ and I held up to win.

    Later in a tournament I would probably drop the QQ.
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    I seldom feel the need to make a move early in a tournament. If you had some kind of a read on this player, that changes things, but to me it's just as likely that you're dominated as a coinflip and just as likely that you're either of those as way ahead. I'm willing to sacrifice a couple hundred chips early on (assuming a 1500 starting count) to enhance my reads and ensure my spots for later. The fact that it's a $5 could change things a bit, but I'm still leaning toward letting it go.
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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    With the range you put him on {JJ+, AQ+} you should fold becuase your hand doesnt fair well against this range (I think. May be wrong)

    But I believe your range is inaccurate and could easily include smaller pairs and weaker Aces and strong kings.

    -'rilla
    Original starting hand thoughts:

    441,774,432 games 0.921 secs 479,668,221 games/sec

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 48.6640 % 47.26% 01.40% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
    Hand 2: 51.3360 % 49.93% 01.40% { QQ }


    Smaller Pairs + Weaker Aces + Stronger Kings:

    1,551,347,424 games 3.203 secs 484,341,999 games/sec

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 65.7040 % 65.14% 00.56% { QQ }
    Hand 2: 34.2960 % 33.73% 00.56% { 99+, A7s+, KTs+, A8o+, KJo+ }
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    himself fucker.
    Well, knowing you're a flip against his stated range, do you call? (Lets pretend it a 55 and op is rockishly.)

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    If it's a flip I call because I have the pot odds and if I don't double up early on I'm not going to make it ITM.
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    I'd probably call. But I'd also probably not play QQ that strong early on.

    And I've come first in a tourny after being clearly the lowest stack with about 5 players left in, so I don't buy any need to double up early on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lamaros
    I'd probably call. But I'd also probably not play QQ that strong early on.

    And I've come first in a tourny after being clearly the lowest stack with about 5 players left in, so I don't buy any need to double up early on.
    Yeah, that's when you have to win at least two hands where you're dominated and you've went all-in as a steal.

    Remember that a high M good player has a BETTER chance to build his stack than the same player with a short stack. That's because he gets to keep more chips when he's ahead and he can make smaller raises pre-flop with the same effect. He's raising 2.5xBB and is successful only marginally less on a steal than a 4xBB all-in. If he gets re-raised all-in by a middle stack he can call what, a 20xBB raise with a good hand and be a 60% favorite on average if he picks up a hand or fold his crap stealing cards and lose less than the all-in blind steal. For every chip a big M player puts in he can expect 120% return. A low M player expects only 110% return at best. Not to mention the fact that the high M player has more chips to put in for that 120% return!

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