SnG specific BR?

[BrokeSucca]

I did a forum search for SnG specific bankroll guidelines but came up empty. Not empty but not what I was looking for.

How many buy-ins do I need to play at any certian level? And does it change the higher the level?

[Bmxicle]

If you are prepared to move back down during a bad run then 25-30 buyins should be fine. If you don't want to 100 buyins is reccomended.

[DavSimon]

So what you're saying Bmxicle is that to play $5+.50 SnGs you recommend a bankroll of $500, since there are not many sites that offer SnGs less than $5...and the ones that do charge an outrageous rake for them. I think Pacific offers a $2+.50 SnG.
I'm not saying that 100 buy-ins is not a safe wat to go, but it is a little unrealistic for beginners or young people to be able to come up with that as thier first bankroll.

I would say that 20 buy-ins is fine to start with....so to play $5 SnGS you should deposit $100-$150. Do not risk more than 10% of your bankroll per day so this means that you will only be able to play 2 SnGs per day....if you can scrape together $200 that would allow you to play 3-4 SnGs per day. In the end I don't know that I would recommend playing SnGs if you have a very small bankroll or very limited funds and are unable to re-deposit.....you would be better off playing micro-limit ring to gain poker experience.

[Trikflow77]

So what you're saying Bmxicle is that to play $5+.50 SnGs you recommend a bankroll of $500, since there are not many sites that offer SnGs less than $5...and the ones that do charge an outrageous rake for them. I think Pacific offers a $2+.50 SnG.
I'm not saying that 100 buy-ins is not a safe wat to go, but it is a little unrealistic for beginners or young people to be able to come up with that as thier first bankroll.

I would say that 20 buy-ins is fine to start with....so to play $5 SnGS you should deposit $100-$150. Do not risk more than 10% of your bankroll per day so this means that you will only be able to play 2 SnGs per day....if you can scrape together $200 that would allow you to play 3-4 SnGs per day. In the end I don't know that I would recommend playing SnGs if you have a very small bankroll or very limited funds and are unable to re-deposit.....you would be better off playing micro-limit ring to gain poker experience.

Even the best sng player in the world could drop 20 buy ins........even if hes only playin the 5.50's

[Bmxicle]

Yeah the problem is i generally talk about multitabling party sngs, where you simply have less of an edge. As i said 25-30 buyins would be fine, and you are right, at the 5.50's 20 buyins would prolly be fine too.

100 buyins is for higher stakes sit n goes AND when you are not willing to move back down. I just didn't assume he was a beginner, so i told him 100 buyins, or 25-30 buyins (20 is fine too) would work.

[DavSimon]

Even the best sng player in the world could drop 20 buy ins........even if hes only playin the 5.50's

Sure.....virtually anything is possible but I would imagine that the best SnG player in the world would step back and take a look at where the holes are after losing 7-10 buy-ins. Whether it be a problem with his play or simply playing too many tables. I have never been a fan of 8 tabling SnGs....I advocate a more measured approach, making read based plays and goign for quality over quantity. Essentially making every single SnG you play the most important tournament to you and squeezing it for everthing you can.

Other people prefer the shotgun approach and like to play as many as they can possibly handle.....It is the old margin vs. numbers argument. Would you rather sell 10 items at $100 or 100 items at $10....we get to the same spot, only I have less inventory costs.

[jmontis]

Even the best sng player in the world could drop 20 buy ins........even if hes only playin the 5.50's

Sure.....virtually anything is possible but I would imagine that the best SnG player in the world would step back and take a look at where the holes are after losing 7-10 buy-ins. Whether it be a problem with his play or simply playing too many tables. I have never been a fan of 8 tabling SnGs....I advocate a more measured approach, making read based plays and goign for quality over quantity. Essentially making every single SnG you play the most important tournament to you and squeezing it for everthing you can.

Other people prefer the shotgun approach and like to play as many as they can possibly handle.....It is the old margin vs. numbers argument. Would you rather sell 10 items at $100 or 100 items at $10....we get to the same spot, only I have less inventory costs.

I agree, I only play 1-2 sngs at a time, and I didn't use poker tracker for a very long time, but I definitely had a solid ITM/ROI for an 8 month period

[BrokeSucca]

Thank you all for your replies.

I am a new player. I have only been taking my game seriously for about a month. I got the free $10 at royal and played 5c/10c and then 10c/20c fixed ring. Just under tripled it in three weeks. Then I tried a $0.75+0.25 SnG. I lost of course. And lost the next few too. Read, re-read, analyzed. And now I am playing almost exclusively SnG. Because I find them much more fun. Even when I lose. I feel like I have a better feel for it.

I know I'm playing the SnG equivalent of micro-limit and can’t judge too much from that. And that I have not played enough games to tell me anything. But I wanted to get an idea of what I needed to get started.

[DavSimon]

My biggest recommendation for you is to deposit some money and get away from the 33% rake you are paying right now....it is outrageous.
I realize that you are getting to play a lot of poker for a measly buck...but the sooner you start taking a business approach to BR management and game selection the sooner you will become a successful poker player.

[Phlegm]

Even the best sng player in the world could drop 20 buy ins........even if hes only playin the 5.50's

Sure.....virtually anything is possible but I would imagine that the best SnG player in the world would step back and take a look at where the holes are after losing 7-10 buy-ins.

The best SNG player in the world can go on a 20-30 buyin downswing based on pure variance, playing perfect poker

[JeffreyGB]

Thank you all for your replies.

I am a new player. I have only been taking my game seriously for about a month. I got the free $10 at royal and played 5c/10c and then 10c/20c fixed ring. Just under tripled it in three weeks. Then I tried a $0.75+0.25 SnG. I lost of course. And lost the next few too. Read, re-read, analyzed. And now I am playing almost exclusively SnG. Because I find them much more fun. Even when I lose. I feel like I have a better feel for it.

I know I'm playing the SnG equivalent of micro-limit and can’t judge too much from that. And that I have not played enough games to tell me anything. But I wanted to get an idea of what I needed to get started.

If you want to play really small stakes while learning SnGs, playing at UB will allow you to do this without getting raped by the rake. They have $1+$0.10 that I highly recommend for someone wanting to play SnGs on a very small bankroll. 20-25 buyins is a good guideline in my book, though I tend to stick to having quite a bit more than that, so that I can lose and still keep playing while abiding by the guideline of risking less than 10% per day.

[drmcboy]

I say 20 buyins is OK for 5s and 10s, assuming you can reload at least once. If not Jeff's 1s are a nice idea, PS also has 1 45 person MTSNGs. Then at least 25 buyins for 20 and 30, lean closer to 50 buyins for 50+, at least to move up.

[nickthefool]

Even the best sng player in the world could drop 20 buy ins........even if hes only playin the 5.50's

Sure.....virtually anything is possible but I would imagine that the best SnG player in the world would step back and take a look at where the holes are after losing 7-10 buy-ins.

The best SNG player in the world can go on a 20-30 buyin downswing based on pure variance, playing perfect poker

Now I am no expert at this game, but since i have been taking it seriously, i have played just over 250 SngS, starting at $0.50+.05 and slowly moving up to be now playing $5+.5, and my worst downswing is just under 10 buyins. After most of that swing i took a look at my game and noticed some holes in my game, which i managed to remove. My worst swing apart from that is probably in the region of 5 buyins.

So personally i feel that 20 buyins should be more than enough for a good player.

[booradly07]

Even the best sng player in the world could drop 20 buy ins........even if hes only playin the 5.50's

Sure.....virtually anything is possible but I would imagine that the best SnG player in the world would step back and take a look at where the holes are after losing 7-10 buy-ins. Whether it be a problem with his play or simply playing too many tables. I have never been a fan of 8 tabling SnGs....I advocate a more measured approach, making read based plays and goign for quality over quantity. Essentially making every single SnG you play the most important tournament to you and squeezing it for everthing you can.

Other people prefer the shotgun approach and like to play as many as they can possibly handle.....It is the old margin vs. numbers argument. Would you rather sell 10 items at $100 or 100 items at $10....we get to the same spot, only I have less inventory costs.

I 4 table the limit ring games since it is around 85% robotic play but I can't seem to do well when I play more than 2 SNG's and do best with one. Maybe it is lack of experience.