Who made the bad play here

[frank123]

Five people left in a turbo SNG, top 3 pay. Not a lot of confrontations up to this point. Both players involved have been a little aggressive but mostly shown down good hands, especially in the later levels.


PokerStars Game #2616712458: Tournament #12782231, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI
(100/200) - 2005/09/19 - 22:56:42 (ET)
Table '12782231 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Kinneman (4090 in chips)
Seat 4: Russ668 (2630 in chips)
Seat 5: ballerfrank (2530 in chips)
Seat 6: jonkeponke (3005 in chips)
Seat 8: Grapnel (1245 in chips)
jonkeponke: posts small blind 100
Grapnel: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Kinneman: folds
Russ668: calls 200
ballerfrank: folds
jonkeponke: raises 400 to 600
Grapnel: folds
Russ668: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [5h 6h 7s]
jonkeponke: bets 600
Russ668: raises 600 to 1200
jonkeponke: raises 1000 to 2200
Russ668: calls 830 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5h 6h 7s] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [5h 6h 7s Ks] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jonkeponke: shows [Ac 8c] (high card Ace)
Russ668: shows [Ah Qs] (high card Ace - Queen kicker)
Russ668 collected 5460 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5460 | Rake 0
Board [5h 6h 7s Ks Tc]
Seat 1: Kinneman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Russ668 showed [Ah Qs] and won (5460) with high card Ace
Seat 5: ballerfrank (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jonkeponke (small blind) showed [Ac 8c] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: Grapnel (big blind) folded before Flop

I thought the guy with A-Q made a bad play in just doubling, because it essentially commits him no matter what. I thought it would have been better to simply fold and get out of the bigger stacks way, or take a stand and deny any pot odds with a push. Flop odds were about a little under 60% for A-Q. Anyone have any thoughts on how they played the hands? I was in this turbo, but wasnt involved in this hand, and kinda shocked to see A high take a 5k pot.

[rubixstreub]

Bad limp with AQ

I'd raise with A8 in that spot...

I'd bet the flop the same with A8... but fold to his reraise (his limping and calling to this point says overpair).

I like AQ's reraise with nothing if he's playing into A8's continuation bet and steal that he could have played with much less than AQ. But he was commiting himself and he probably should have just pushed on a very bold steal. I like the play, although I don't have the balls to do it.

A8 got carried away with his OESD and Ace high.

In the end though, probably just two donks going at it.

[Trikflow77]

both played the hand badly......

[jmontis]

villian played better than OP here, he put you on 2 random cards and played aggressively

limping AQ at this blind level is atrocious

[Demiparadigm]

I don't mind A8's play at all here.
The raise and continuation are standard, and he has more chips.
When AQ minraises, A8 has odds to call with overs and OESD. Since he has to call a bet on the turn also if he misses, pushing into AQ is fine.
AQ screwed up preflop by limping, and by minraising on the flop. He should either fold or push on the flop, since the minraise commits him.

[drmcboy]

I don't see where you guys find a fold for A8 here. AQ is awful.

[PokerPatNEU]

I probably play the A8 the same. How are you gonna fold to that min raise? People love to min-raise continuation bets on low flops. The odds you're getting are awesome, even though you are pretty much pot commited after calling, and you definitely have 8 outs here if not 11. If you fold on the flop to the min raise you're at like 1600 chips and the BB is 200 and its a turbo...you aren't lasting. I like the A8 play, i hate the AQ not re-raising pre flop.

[elanto]

the A8 guy didnt play it that badly..he did a regular continuation bet and got raised the min..if he only called then he would almost HAVE to call the 800 the AQ guy had left..so not much A8 could have done...the AQ guys plain old sucks


-anto