Grit your teeth and go?

[rubixstreub]

rprice is pretty loose,

HAND 1:

Seat 1: streubie [9S,2D] ($1,565 in chips)
Seat 4: rprice2832 ($1,788 in chips)
Seat 6: Spiderman919 ($5,200 in chips)
Seat 7: buck choy ($4,242 in chips)
Seat 8: gunners 13 ($795 in chips)
Seat 10: tjsmooth ($1,410 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
streubie posts blind ($100),
rprice2832 posts blind ($200).

PRE-FLOP
Spiderman919 folds,
buck choy folds,
gunners 13 folds,
tjsmooth folds,
Streubie????

HAND 2:

Seat 1: streubie [4C,5H] ($1,615 in chips)
Seat 4: rprice2832 ($1,438 in chips)
Seat 6: Spiderman919 ($4,750 in chips)
Seat 7: buck choy ($4,242 in chips)
Seat 8: gunners 13 ($2,955 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
streubie posts blind ($150),
rprice2832 posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
Spiderman919 folds,
buck choy folds,
gunners 13 folds,
streubie????


HAND 3:

Seat 1: streubie [10D,QC] ($1,465 in chips)
Seat 4: rprice2832 ($1,588 in chips)
Seat 6: Spiderman919 ($4,750 in chips)
Seat 7: buck choy ($4,242 in chips)
Seat 8: gunners 13 ($2,955 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
rprice2832 posts blind ($150),
Spiderman919 posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
buck choy folds,
gunners 13 folds,
Streubie ????

Easy question, but just checking to see where (if at all) you'd push or fold these to steal blinds.

[kingnat]

For me it's all about texture of the game and your image at the table. To me that's at least as important than simply what cards you are holding and what position you are in... Have you watched dwarfman's videos? (http://gen-xxx.com/poker/vids/) The "Stars Normal 22-7-05" video dramatically altered how I play these situations.

I'm guessing these are 3 orbits in a row, yes?

The main problem I'd have with these is that they are the most obvious blind stealing positions in the game. That decreases your folding equity in my mind. I actually prefer to steal in the cutoff or UTG when it's 5 handed.

Not knowing what your image is.. I'd fold the 1st hand without a doubt.. those are two of the more uncoordinated cards you can have. Get called and your pwned.

Assuming you've sat pat now for the orbit, I might consider pushing Hand 2, but I doubt it... has there been a lot of action at the table? Are pushes getting respect? Are 3xBB raises getting respect? These are somethings I'd use to determine what the chance of a fold here is.

Hand 3 is obvious

[nickthefool]

Pushing depends almost entirely on the feel of the table, and what range you are getting called by. If you don't think you will get called it doesn't matter what cards you have. So to say "should i push here, or here, or here" is a difficult question to answer imo without having been at the table. Each situation is almost identical if you only look at the HH. IMO,
A push is good if :
- you don't have the best hand but can take the pot
- you have a good hand that probably won't be the best on the flop
- you have a hand that is likely to get called by a worse hand
A push is bad if :
- you have the best hand and everyone will fold (eg AA KK)
- you think there is a good chance to be called by a better hand but not a worse hand (eg A3 when lots of calls by Arag or low PPs but no K high)
- you think you will get called and will have a coinflip at best, and you aren't desparately short stacked (eg low PPs on a loose table as medium stack)

So basically on a tight table i don't think it makes a difference whether you are pushing with 92o, 54o, or QTo. (I'm assuming your table was tight as everyone folded to you a lot)

[vqc]

I actually prefer to steal in the cutoff or UTG when it's 5 handed.

Do u really prefer to Push steal from UTG instead of the button when its 5 handed? Even though it might be "obvious", each person u dont have to go through makes it exponentially easier to get away with a push.

[nickthefool]

Even if they think you are pushing any two, which it's likely they won't until you have pushed a couple of times at least...they still aren't going to call with less than K high at least, probably ace high. Chance neither of the blinds has an ace or king = 48.6%. Chance neither has an ace = 70.9% (not knowing anyone else's cards, and assuming you don't have one)

Chances that nobody has an ace 5 handed = about 33% (?)

So it depends really on what they will call you with. I agree some players are more likely to fold to a UTG raise than a button raise, but it depends on the table. IMO, on most tables, you are more likely to get called with a UTG push than a button push if you are short stacked. Personally i try to mix up where i push from and just avoid pushing into people i think will call (loose big stack or desperate short stack), so that i am not pushing in the same position every orbit.

[TLR]

Without reads

Hand#1: I would fold
Hand#2: Raise, try to steal the blinds
Hand#3: Fold, you dont have enough chips to play marginal hands like this one

[rubixstreub]

Without reads
Hand#3: Fold, you dont have enough chips to play marginal hands like this one

Why is pushing this so bad with 5BB- I'm pretty desperate? Sure if I get called, it'll be by A or K, but hopefully I've got their kicker covered for a more favorable flip. Next time around I'll have to be pushing with Qrag/Jrag

[Khabbi]

Hand #1: fold, those cards are crap. I know it's more about the player, but if he's lose and has anything at all, you are beat.

Hand #2: raise (don't push), try to make it look like a standard raise. Pushing from the SB in my experience only results in being called.

Hand #3: push and hope the big stack doesn't have an A or a K.

[kingnat]

I actually prefer to steal in the cutoff or UTG when it's 5 handed.

Do u really prefer to Push steal from UTG instead of the button when its 5 handed? Even though it might be "obvious", each person u dont have to go through makes it exponentially easier to get away with a push.

I would include the Button in that as well.. but honestly, I think those early position pushes can get you more respect for having decent cards than something out of the SB. In this case I would be fearful of a call with any two cards from a "loose" equal stacked player. I know it's easy to make the argument that the big stack would call with any two when he's in the BB since they have the chips, but I just think the AI gets more respect when it's not as forced (nothing stack) or obvious (SB).

That's how I roll! Though it might end up screwing my ROI in the end... it's going a'ight so far.

Looking at just the chip stacks at this table, I think I'd be looking to push steal UTG, since buck choy will be SB, (so hopefully won't be looking to gambool with any 2 since he does't have many chips in the pot) and gunners13 in the BB, who just built his stack (based on other posts from this tourney) and might not want to risk the chips here. Is this total donkish play?

[Fortune 500]

I probably take a shot with the Q-10... you've not made an attempt to steal in at least the last 3 orbits, so that's got to give some credence to your attempt. They're not hopeless cards, and you've got a good shot to get the fold... I would maybe take a shot there. So much depends on the rest of the game, though. Just not enough info to give a definitive answer

[nickthefool]

Chances that nobody has an ace 5 handed = about 33% (?)

I meant 6 handed, i think i worked it out for 6, can't be bothered to do it again lol.

[gabe]

i am pretty sure i push the 2nd two