Post Flop play?

[JEEPNERD]

Ok, I realize this is a BIG topic and I am doing lots of reading on this and wanted to see if we could get a basic strategy for the following hands post flop. Again, we will assume this CAN/WILL change depending on position or vs scary flops. (TPTK vs a flop of all suited for instance will NOT play like normal)


I am assuming we are all playing TIGHT pre-flop, loosening up mid-game and blind stealing later on.


What I 'think' I am looking for here from the knowledgeable folks is the basics here of should we:

CALL (a raise in front of you)
RAISE (you are first bettor)
RE-RAISE
ALL-IN
FOLD
CHECK (rare I know but free cards vs folding are ok right?)

Ok my example:
ROYAL FLUSH [Raise, Re-Raise and ALL in if you think you can get someone to go H2H with you]


Post Flop:

Top Pair

Set, Trips

Two Pair

Straight

Straight Draw

Flush

Flush Draw

NUT Flush Draw

Full House

Four of Kind

Everything else [CHECK for FREE cards, otherwise FOLD?]

[a500lbgorilla]

This is not the proper approach to learning post flop play.

There is no way to create a guide without considering your opponents, the board and table texture, your image and lots of other things.

It all depends.

-'rilla

[JeffreyGB]

This is not the proper approach to learning post flop play.

There is no way to create a guide without considering your opponents, the board and table texture, your image and lots of other things.

It all depends.

-'rilla

Quoted for absolute truth.

[gabe]

There is no way to create a guide without considering your opponents, the board and table texture, your image and lots of other things.

then why not create a guide considering your opponents, the board and the table texture, your image and lots of other things?

[a500lbgorilla]

There is no way to create a guide without considering your opponents, the board and table texture, your image and lots of other things.

then why not create a guide considering your opponents, the board and the table texture, your image and lots of other things?

Becuase guides suck.

-'rilla

[Trikflow77]

GUIDES SUCK..........players that use guides suck.........this is fact, poker is a feel game, can only get so far using guides.

[JEEPNERD]

Well, I guess what started me on this was the SNG guides posted here in this board and the statements I read in them like "...Play the flop accordingly..."

I saw in some other posts (regarding the SYSTEM), that several folks on here, who I 100% respect their Poker abilities said you can learn how to play SNGs in 10-15 minutes and crush the games...

I guess I am just trying to get those "minutes" on the post flop play? I think pre-flop play is pretty well defined out there for this, play tight early...THEN...

and the THEN...is what I am just looking for, I know it means add more hands to your preflop(see the flop) inventory...I just need help with post flop?

In ring games, POT & Implied ODDS are the long term strategy for winning over the long run (Sklansky, Miller, Small Stakes Hold Em type books)...

But in a SNG...pot odds are basically thrown out the window, right? (This is my interpretation of the threads I am lurking and reading)

Maybe instead of those hands I listed, we have three categories, flopped the nuts, good hand, crappy hand? Thus...what do you do when...

Again...position and image are WHY you are doing this...

I really am just trying to get a better feel for GOOD post flop play!

[drmcboy]

HOH, HOH2, SS

gg

[a500lbgorilla]

You can beat low limit SnGs with zero post flop play.

A good low limit SnG players weapon is folding equity. Learn about it.

-'rilla

[drmcboy]

Pot and implied odds are always important. Always. Don't let anyone here tell you different. It's not about winning one particular tournament, it's about winning as many as you can over time. Certainly there are SPOTS when you throw implied odds out the window, and (far fewer) times you ignore pot odds as well, but you should always at least have a good reason for ignoring then. Waaay too many SNG players, especially at low limits, think to much about going broke and not enough about odds.

[JEEPNERD]

Pot and implied odds are always important. Always. Don't let anyone here tell you different. It's not about winning one particular tournament, it's about winning as many as you can over time. Certainly there are SPOTS when you throw implied odds out the window, and (far fewer) times you ignore pot odds as well, but you should always at least have a good reason for ignoring then. Waaay too many SNG players, especially at low limits, think to much about going broke and not enough about odds.

Thx for that... I am a CPA, so number crunching comes naturally as does playing using pot odds and implied odds. I am using those and winning very consistently in the ring games but have only placed 2nd, once in a SNG and out of the money the rest of the time, so I KNOW I am not playing them right.

'rilla...will try to read up more about the fold equity you mentioned. In the "locked" thread, one of the comments I thought validated his thread was that that style of play was similar to your own up until the bubbleish, and/or the occasional other opportunity? It was a pretty much a "formula"....which is why I am a little surprised in this thread direction?

I will be the VERY first to admit here, the ONLY times I have done well I was seeing almost no pre-flop play...maybe I just need to keep winning in the ring games to pay for my education in the $1+.10 sngs?

As always thanks to everyone who reply, I really am all ears and trying to learn.

(Still working my way thru various books, will look into HOH and HOH2 soon.... and SS since that seems to be the holy grail of aggressive play?)

Sam

[kingnat]

Post Flop:

Top Pair

Set, Trips

Two Pair

Straight

Don't mean to split hairs.. but a set and trips are two different hands.

A set means three-of-a-kind with 2 of the 3 cards in your hand and one on the board.

Trips means three-of-a-kind with 1 of the 3 cards in your hand and two on board.

Sets are better than trips, because trips can be out kicked.