Bush hates blacks and loves osama bin laden

[DoGGz]

Yea the mexican comment was not needed. Mexicans willing to work their asses off in what we consider "bottom-rung" jobs does show how good we have it here compared to other countries like Mexico. They deserve higher pay because they work their fucking asses off. You ever see Mexicans out demonstrating in the streets, begging for more handouts? No, its because they are too busy working long hours for their families.

I aggree with almost everything here but this.

If you work your ass off pumping my gas or getting my fast food, you don't deserve higher pay. If they are going to get higher pay then the price of the food is going to go up. What they need to do is look for another job after they estabilish themselves as a hard worker

You can't just pay someone more because you want to.

[Legendash]

I think it's fine so far but whether any more needs to be added is questionable, maybe you should read it rilla. Still, free speech and all that, no need to go around locking threads that don't 'smell' right.

[a500lbgorilla]

Well, I just dont want people to hate each other over some disagreements.

FTR is about close-knit brotherly love and all that queer jazz.

-'rilla

[DoGGz]

Well, I just dont want people to hate each other over some disagreements.

FTR is about close-knit brotherly love and all that queer jazz.

-'rilla

How much for the girl in your ava?

Edit: I like her boobs

[a500lbgorilla]

Oh she's filthy cheap.

-'rilla

[Greedo017]

the comment wasn't racist or joking at all, it was a truth. there are a ton of mexicans beating down our door trying to get in to work whatever jobs they can get. Seeing as your typical mexican immigrant doesn't exactly have a glowing resume, they are resigned to work in the lower rung jobs. it has nothing to do with whether these people deserve the opportunity to move up; they have the opportunity to move up, but be realistic, they don't have the skills or the education to.

IMO, this is just another case of people seeing a racial word and going "eeww he said mexicans work bad jobs that racist!", when racism had nothing to do with it. It is a fact that typically low end jobs are booked up by mexicans, and they are generally eager to do so. This is unlikely to change. saying that doesn't make me racist, and doesn't mean i think the american dream applies to everyone but mexicans, those are your own demons cropping up.

just fyi, i don't really take this stuff personally and haven't even up until now, i just like discussing stuff like this to reaffirm how right i am all the time.

[potdragn]

2. Racism is a very minor peroblem in amreica.

Hey guys, great forum. I have been lurking a couple days, but this msg made me want to post. Sorry Laeelin, im not trying to sound rude here, but this is probably one of the most ignorant statements i have EVER heard.

I live in upstate ny ( a blue state), and it is VERY much racist. I know plenty of whites that hate everyone, blacks who hate koreans, cubans who hate blacks, etc. Youre right to say that racism will never die, there will always be dumb people. But to say that it is a minor problem in America, makes me wonder how many minorities you know. I could tell you all sorts of stories, most you would probably try to explain away.

Let me relate one incident we can all relate to. i was watching the Katrina coverage on CNN. They were talking to this (white) lady who had been trapped at the Ritz Carlton with a group of her wealthy friends. So what does she do? She called CNN, and of course, got patched thru to live television. So the next day, as they are interviewing her, they ask her what happened. She says:

"well, about an hour after we called CNN, a helicopter appeared over the Ritz with searchlights. Army men came in and escorted us out, under armed guard, boated us to safety, and then to an airport. Right now, I am at an airport in Maryland, close to home. I want to thank those soldiers and CNN."

So let me get this straight - a rich white woman at the Ritz gets an armed escort in an hour, but poor people, black and white, were dying live on national television for days, mothers with babies who only needed a bottle of water to live, and couldnt get it.

Whether you want to believe it or not, there is a economic disparity in this country, that has all to do with nepotism, and little to do with your drive or how lazy you are. Paris Hilton is worth more than I could ever dream of - are you telling me she isnt a lazy slacker?? She has NO talent besides being ridicuolously hot - but could get into any school she wanted, if she ever decided to do something with her life besides get wasted and f*ck strangers. Do you think a hot girl from an Indian Reservation is going to be offered a show on FOX? No, shes gonna be a stripper, which then of course would be looked down upon by people who "work" for a living.

Once people get over themselves and stop taking themselves so seriously, and realize that money is stupid, throwing your life away for some large government or some corporation that doesnt care about you or your health, then we'll turn it around. So you are a branch manager for the 4th largest bank inthe Northeast? Who gives a f*ck? Are you a good person? I have met "drug dealers" that were the nicest old people and rich old ladies holding on to a bible that have cussed me out. Sorry to go off aon a rant, but people piss me off.

[ilikeaces86]

2. Racism is a very minor peroblem in amreica.

Hey guys, great forum. I have been lurking a couple days, but this msg made me want to post. Sorry Laeelin, im not trying to sound rude here, but this is probably one of the most ignorant statements i have EVER heard.

I live in upstate ny ( a blue state), and it is VERY much racist. I know plenty of whites that hate everyone, blacks who hate koreans, cubans who hate blacks, etc. Youre right to say that racism will never die, there will always be dumb people. But to say that it is a minor problem in America, makes me wonder how many minorities you know. I could tell you all sorts of stories, most you would probably try to explain away.

Let me relate one incident we can all relate to. i was watching the Katrina coverage on CNN. They were talking to this (white) lady who had been trapped at the Ritz Carlton with a group of her wealthy friends. So what does she do? She called CNN, and of course, got patched thru to live television. So the next day, as they are interviewing her, they ask her what happened. She says:

"well, about an hour after we called CNN, a helicopter appeared over the Ritz with searchlights. Army men came in and escorted us out, under armed guard, boated us to safety, and then to an airport. Right now, I am at an airport in Maryland, close to home. I want to thank those soldiers and CNN."

So let me get this straight - a rich white woman at the Ritz gets an armed escort in an hour, but poor people, black and white, were dying live on national television for days, mothers with babies who only needed a bottle of water to live, and couldnt get it.

Whether you want to believe it or not, there is a economic disparity in this country, that has all to do with nepotism, and little to do with your drive or how lazy you are. Paris Hilton is worth more than I could ever dream of - are you telling me she isnt a lazy slacker?? She has NO talent besides being ridicuolously hot - but could get into any school she wanted, if she ever decided to do something with her life besides get wasted and f*ck strangers. Do you think a hot girl from an Indian Reservation is going to be offered a show on FOX? No, shes gonna be a stripper, which then of course would be looked down upon by people who "work" for a living.

Once people get over themselves and stop taking themselves so seriously, and realize that money is stupid, throwing your life away for some large government or some corporation that doesnt care about you or your health, then we'll turn it around. So you are a branch manager for the 4th largest bank inthe Northeast? Who gives a f*ck? Are you a good person? I have met "drug dealers" that were the nicest old people and rich old ladies holding on to a bible that have cussed me out. Sorry to go off aon a rant, but people piss me off.

Can I get the cliff notes version?.... No but seriously I agree with a lot of what you said.

[Laeelin]

2. Racism is a very minor peroblem in amreica.

Hey guys, great forum. I have been lurking a couple days, but this msg made me want to post. Sorry Laeelin, im not trying to sound rude here, but this is probably one of the most ignorant statements i have EVER heard.

Sounds like you have no idea what a real racist problem is.

It is a MINOR problem in America now.

Minor: relatively small in quantity, size, or degree

Go back and read some history.

Go to some random street and then start shouting anti-black/white/mexican/whatever stuff.

There is hardly a place in America where you don’t run the risk of being mobbed for that.

Then tell me how racist we are.

Once a society has reached the point where the peer pressure is pushing hard against racism then racism is/will soon be minor problem... We passed that point years and years ago. Sure you find a few places that it's acceptable, but they are few, and growing fewer.

ps: You want to know who has a harder time than any "racism" that currently exists in America. Overweight people. Let 5 men that weigh 200 pounds (mixed races), 5 women that weigh 115 pounds (mixed races), 1 white man that weighs 400 pounds, 1 white woman that weighs 300 pounds all try for the same job. Guess who is least likely to get the job?

First the overweight woman, then the overweight man.

America has a MINOR racism problem.

[potdragn]

It has been about 40 since blacks and white could not drink out the same water fountain, use the same bathroom. That isnt all that long ago.

Minorities face MUCH more discrimination than overwight people, i cant believe you said that. This is coming from a very fat white/native american. Have you ever seen 10 drunk rednecks around a campfire sieg heiling shouting white pride? I have. You cant tell me its a minor problem. I live in a suburb of buffalo, and hear the word "nigger" at least twice a week, and its not from the company I keep.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Paris Hilton is worth more than I could ever dream of - are you telling me she isnt a lazy slacker?? She has NO talent besides being ridicuolously hot - but could get into any school she wanted, if she ever decided to do something with her life besides get wasted and f*ck strangers.

I love how people casually make judgements on people they don't even know, let alone have ever met. All you are basing your statements on are the skewed respresentations you get from the media. Yes Paris Hilton inherited a lot of money, but she also has her own perfume line, a jewelry line, has plans for clothing line, plans for a handbag line, plans for to open a botique hotel chain, plans for an energy drink, she a book that was on the best seller list for several weeks, she has her own record label and is going to release an album, she owns a club and has plans to open more. She has a popular television show that has run for several seasons, had a significant role in a major movie and has offers to appear in others.

Does this sound like a lazy person to you? Before you start making asinine statements, why don't you do some research. You want to lambast racism yet have no problem referring to someone as a lazy slut. Her infamous sex video was with her ex-boyfriend, Rick Salomon, not a stranger. I have a hard time believing that any high profile celebrity would have sex with a random stranger, so unless you have some evidence you are just talking out of your ass. Yes she parties alot, but I probably would too if people were willing to pay me $100,000-$200,000+ just as an appearance fee.

I don't particularly like Paris Hilton and generally find her annoying, but that gives me no right to simply make things up to say about her or anyone else for that matter. My point is that your statements were ignorant and have little/no basis. It's ironic, although nor suprising, that someone who goes on such a rant deploring racists and racism has no problem making harsh and untrue comments about someone that falls outside of demographic they are advocating for.

Are you a good person? I have met "drug dealers" that were the nicest...

Again, your perception is skewed and you're only choosing aspects of issues that happen to support your opinion while ignoring the whole story. Sure they might happen to have a nice personality, but what is their impact on society? Is a good personality of much consequence when you are contributing to the corruption of society? These "nice drug dealers " are directly contributing to the degenerency of basically all aspects of other people's lives - their health, income, familial ties, self-respect, reputation and also their future prospects. From a societal standpoint they are a economic drain because hundreds of thousands of people need treatment through direct care and also rehab. They are a major reason for overcrowded jails. They divert law enforcements resources to deal with them and the activities associated with them when these resources could be used better protect law abiding citizens.

I won't respond to your other statements, but they are laced with ignorance (wether intentional or not) as well. I'm sure they are well intended, but they are severely misguided. It's easy to paint an issue when you're only looking at one side.

[Laeelin]

It has been about 40 since blacks and white could not drink out the same water fountain, use the same bathroom. That isnt all that long ago.

And I wouldn’t have made that statement 40 years ago... I wouldn’t have even made it 20 or 30 years ago...

Minorities face MUCH more discrimination than overwight people, i cant believe you said that. This is coming from a very fat white/native american. Have you ever seen 10 drunk rednecks around a campfire sieg heiling shouting white pride? I have. You cant tell me its a minor problem. I live in a suburb of buffalo, and hear the word "nigger" at least twice a week, and its not from the company I keep.

OMG!!! Someone calls someone else by a racial slur!!! Racism sure is a HUGE problem here!!!

The fact that you even bring up the examples you do proves that I’m right.

It wasn’t long ago that a black dating a white ran a high risk of being KILLED for it. Now a few might mutter, but most will not even care.

It wasn’t long ago that someone that was black had no chance of getting a real education, now everyone has about the same education chances.

It wasn’t long ago that Indians were forced down that Trail of Tears.

I'm sorry, but compared to basically any other time or place that the world , we have a MINOR racism problem.

[potdragn]

Id like to respond to some things. First off, Paris Hilton. You speak of her many businesses, as proof that she is a hard worker. But recently, she she missed the opening of "her" club (which she is contractually obligated to appear at 4 times a year - thats it) because she was on a skiing vacation in the Alps. Burning the candle at both ends, i guess. Her other "businesses" are nothing she came up with - she was approached, and basically her name is put on products for a fee. Im sure if I had 500 trillion dollars it wouldnt be hard to start up a business, but she never has. Shes a "partner" in several things. As far as the sex with strangers deal, I was referring to her club life, not the green tinted poorno we all love so much. There are some saucy stories if you look for them.

As far as the nice drug dealers: I will agree with you on one point - the police are wasting resources. An old hippie couple that grows some bud and sells to 4-5 close friends....boy what a threat to the community. Believe me, im not talking about some crack dealer in front of a preschool: everyone in their right mind regards that as a problem. But according to law enforcement (and the government), my mostly law abiding, taxpaying hippie friends (and i, i guess) are terrorists for smoking a flower. How are we ruining the community? Please explain. If the government taxed it, it would making billions instead of costing us billions in an unwinnable war on drugs...but maybe thats the point.

As far as racism a minor problem, tell it to the ghost of James Byrd. Remember him? How about Abner Louima? What about every person of color that are "randomly" selected at airports for extra screening? There are so many more examples that you just seem to want to ignore, and call it a minor problem. I'll agree, its not as bad as in the past, but it hasnt just disappeared.

Id like to use your own words against you: I would like to make a $1000 bet about what you said about going to the intersection and yelling racial epithets, and getting beat down. I will walk down to the corner, sit at the red light, and scream "I HATE F*CKING NIGGERS!" for 2 straight minutes. I guarantee I will not get beat down, and in fact some idiots will probably yell "Right on!" and come join me. Or I could walk to the inner city and yell "I HATE THE F*CKING WHITE DEVIL CRACKERS!" You think some black gang memeber is going to come up to me and say "Thats not cool, bro!"??! Id like to live in your world, but it just doesnt exist.

As far as equal education: Yes, all those pricy private schools mean nothing to college entrance. The schools in downtown buffalo are a joke. Falling apart, outdated materials, the only thing in them worth using is the sports equipment. You cant seriously say that everyone has the chance for an equal education - thats not only unrealistic, its just silly. its not even close to being truth. The poor are at a HEAVY disadvantage when it comes to schooling - for some reason, the county executive here Joel Giambra could afford to pay his limo driver (which drove his stretch SUV) 150k a year - but our schools cant get new textbooks. Give me a break.

Sorry for the manifesto.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

You speak of her many businesses, as proof that she is a hard worker.

I never said she was a hard worker. I cited her many activities in response to the comments that she was lazy. There is a difference.

As far as the sex with strangers deal, I was referring to her club life, not the green tinted poorno we all love so much. There are some saucy stories if you look for them.

Maybe it's just me, but I would like to have more than just "stories" to base my accusations on. I don't doubt that there are plenty of guys that would claim they had sex with Paris Hilton wether it was true or not. She is one of the most scrutinized people in the world at the moment. If you put almost anyone's life under a microscope you're pretty much guaranteed to find things you disagree with, and with so much attention on her rumors are inevitable. That wasn't even my point, which you totally missed. Paris Hilton was mentioned, thus she became my example. I was trying to point out how contradictory it was for someone to denounce racism, yet still have no qualms about slandering someone. It's laughable. I was also pointing out that the argument had little/no basis. Don't present an argument solely based on anecdotal evidence and expected to be taken seriously.

As far as the nice drug dealers: I will agree with you on one point - the police are wasting resources. An old hippie couple that grows some bud and sells to 4-5 close friends....boy what a threat to the community. Believe me, im not talking about some crack dealer in front of a preschool: everyone in their right mind regards that as a problem. But according to law enforcement (and the government), my mostly law abiding, taxpaying hippie friends (and i, i guess) are terrorists for smoking a flower. How are we ruining the community? Please explain. If the government taxed it, it would making billions instead of costing us billions in an unwinnable war on drugs...but maybe thats the point.

Hmm... let me discuss with a self-proclaimed hippie with a screen name of potdragn that selling marijuana contributes to the degeneracy of society... I would love to hear your explanation why selling an illegal substance does no harm.

[potdragn]

you have failed your reading comprehension test. First off, im not a "self -proclaimed" hippie. I have hippie friends. I am most definitely not a hippie.

So you said Hilton was not lazy....isnt the opposite of that a hard worker? Furthermore, I cited examples of why i slandered her - shes low class. Moreso, you say me slandering her while talking against racism is hypocritical - maybe it would be if i made a broad, sweeping statement about the Hiltons in general. Like "The whole Hilton family are lazy inbreds". But I didnt, did I? I said negative things about one single person, whom I happen to dislike, for several reasons which have been made public. So how is that stereotyping?

And you are the one who has seemed to miss the point - I brought up Paris Hilton as an example because in this thread, people were saying if you are rich or well off, its because you work hard, and if you dont, its because youre lazy. And Im saying thats not true - look at Paris Hilton. She is rich, but with little work ethic.

Finally, about marijuana: How does 2 old hippies growing it and selling it to a couple close friends constitute a threat to society? If it does, perhaps all the bartenders that serve idiots who drink and drive should be locked up. Maybe a dealer at a poker room who dealt while some idiot gambled away his baby's milk money should be arrested?

This country has a drug problem, but pot is quite the overstated part of it. There are more hardcore substances that should be regulatedLook at "Pills" Limbaugh....buys more painkillers (which are way dangerous and addictive) than anyone should need, and he got...nothing. Contrast that to life in prison for growing 100 pot plants. When someone smokes weed, who are they harming, besides themselves? maybe if they are neglecting other facets of their life, but people do that with lottery tickets (and poker) too, and they arent illegal.

do you have anymore rebuttals, or just another roundabout response where you dont actually answer questions i pose?

[Greedo017]

i just wanted to add, someone said persons of color "randomly" selected to be searched in airports.

My (white) grandparents, both 80+, and both in wheelchairs (can walk normally just not long distances), got picked for the extra search. They got like full crotch grabbing extra searches as they stood up from their airport supplied wheelchairs with their canes. That shit is random.

[Greedo017]

and, i wanted to add this about racial minorities facing the most racism. at UVA, in charlottesville, VA, we have a minor racism problem. If you look back over the years, there has consistently, at least in the last 4, been problems between black and white people. the incidents with whites against blacks have all been non-violent, most not in person, and have actually been as often as, if not less often than, the issues with blacks against whites. Yet now that people have been leaving racial notes for black people around (mainly like on their door when returning at night, etc), black people are scared of violence, want to leave the university, etc. our school president has made a couple speeches, we've gotten countless e-mails, are supposed to wear black shirts or ribbons on various days, the washington post had an article about it on page B1. The incidents in the past have had the FBI here on more than one occassion.

Meanwhile, there was a group of ~8-15 black people that went around beating up white people for many weeks. this barely made news, i didn't find out about it for months, and the police deemed that it was not racially motivated even though one of the people was quoted saying they were targetting whites. a group of 3 black people and one white person robbed a couple white people at knife point. A black man accosted my friend and her male friend and shot him in the leg. I also heard at one point of a white student being beaten up by a black male (not sure if student or not) outside our school gym, but i couldn't find a newspaper article to ever prove it though I am 99% sure i heard about it through e-mail warning at the time. Compared to the mere notes that spurred the FBI to come investigate, these incidents barely made news.

But yea, the black people here really do need to watch out for paper cuts taking those notes down, the racism against the minorities is awful isn't it.


After reading this over, i wanted to add something. This in no way means i condone people writing racial notes to black people. If i got one i'd be scared too and would feel put off by the community, and it needs to be stopped. But let's call it like it is, this is an act of cowardice, no threats were made (at least it was not publicly released that they were threatening), and a white person walking around charlottesville has a lot more to fear than a black person, just we're not allowed to bitch about it.

[Greedo017]

in response to the next post, i took this one out. do u se.... eh i won't do it.

[DoGGz]

ok people, this thread CLEARLY has to much content.

[gabe]

A black man accosted my friend and her male friend and shot him in the leg.

your friends with that guy?? i have a friend in sigma nu (where i think that guy is a brother) who told me about it.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

So you said Hilton was not lazy....isnt the opposite of that a hard worker?

Yes, I didn't say that though. If I say something isn't cold, does that necessarily means it's hot? There is a wide range of temperatures between hot and cold. You made an assumption based on what I wrote although I never actually said it.

Furthermore, I cited examples of why i slandered her - shes low class. Moreso, you say me slandering her while talking against racism is hypocritical - maybe it would be if i made a broad, sweeping statement about the Hiltons in general. Like "The whole Hilton family are lazy inbreds". But I didnt, did I? I said negative things about one single person, whom I happen to dislike, for several reasons which have been made public. So how is that stereotyping?

Since when does something have to be broad and generalized to be racist? If there is a single person that I hate and I call them a racial slur although I have no problems with anyone else of their particular race, is my comment not still racist? Since I happen to dislike Jesse Jackson, a single person, and not all blacks, if I decide to call him a n-----, did I not make a racist remark?

And you are the one who has seemed to miss the point - I brought up Paris Hilton as an example because in this thread, people were saying if you are rich or well off, its because you work hard, and if you dont, its because youre lazy. And Im saying thats not true - look at Paris Hilton. She is rich, but with little work ethic.

Sorry, you missed my point or did understand it. Like I said earlier, in most cases you get what you put it and people almost always get what they deserve. I still maintain that. If you want to keep pointing out the exceptions, although only represent a small minority of cases, then that's your perogative.

Perhaps you personally know Paris Hilton. I assumed you don't though which is why said you aren't qualified to critique her character. You're mistaken if you think her representation in the media paints the entire picture of who she is. I was saying that to make such comments, regardless of who that person may be, is tactless.

When someone smokes weed, who are they harming, besides themselves?

Is this a serious justification of why a substance should be legal? When someone does heroin who are they harming, besides themself?

...terrorists for smoking a flower.

Ohh, it's natural... of course it should be legal then... Psyclocibin containing mushrooms ("magic" mushrooms) are natural, but does that mean I should be allowed to sell them to middle and high school kids? I guess opium and its deriavtives should be allowed too considering that they occur naturally.

There are more hardcore substances that should be regulatedLook at "Pills" Limbaugh....buys more painkillers (which are way dangerous and addictive) than anyone should need...

What? "Pills" are regulated. Limbaugh was addicted to perscription drugs. The fact that they are perscription means that they are regulated. You're right that they should be regulated because of their nature, as should psychoactive drugs such as marijuana. Thanks for giving support to my argument.

[potdragn]

@ danutz:

ah yes, the old "I implied it but never said it" bait and switch trick. Do all you conservative people go to the same debate class or something? When proven wrong, you just sidestep and make the argument about something else.

As far as Jesse Jackson, if you didnt like him personally and call him a nigger, yes that would be racist, because he is black. You could call him an idiot, a moron, whatever you want, but when a racial epithet is used, you cross the line. Last I knew, "lazy" isnt a racial epithet, especially when directed at a rich white woman. If i had called her "dumb lazy redneck cracker", your argument might have a leg to stand on.. So you are saying if Im against prejudice, I can never insult anyone? That makes no sense.

As far as controlled substances, like I mentioned, gambling is probably more destructive to families and communites (of bad gamblers anyway) than weed, but where is your argument about this? or about hundreds of other things? Im not too sure about hard drugs, but I believe most things should be legal. If someone wants to shoot up heroin and waste their life, let them. Its their life. Just make it so its legal and cheap, so they arent robbing old ladies to pay for their habit. In case you didnt know, heroin, coke, weed, everything was legal in this country at one point, and we werent all walking around in a drug induced haze stealing purses. Most people didnt do it, they just ignored it, and our prisons were filled with rapists and murderes, not potheads. Hell, cocaine and morphine were (and still are) considered medicines.

@greedo:

so at the college you go to, there is racial violence, gangs of men searching for trouble with others of the opposite color, racial notes threatening violence left on doors, the college president is speaking out about it, the goddamn FBI has been there, but you consider it a MINOR problem....So what would have to happen for you to consider it a MAJOR problem? White/Black Armegeddon? Take a step back and look at the big picture.

Also Greedo, you seem to imply that the blacks get away with it, while white people dont. Please tell me you are kidding. It must be a vast left wing media conspiracy to paint the african people in a golden light. You do realize that for the past 150 years (and more) that black people have lived in dirt poor conditions, facing racism, with no help from local police forces, who were usually racist themselves, right? The newspapers and police have been covering the tracks of the KKK in the deep south for years. How many lynchings were reported as suicides? TO even imply that some black people are "sneaking on by" is absolutely ludicrous and does not stand to logical reasoning at all. Did you ever stop to think that if the local sherriff came out and said "well, we got blacks hunting whites now!" it would basically lead to a mass riot right there? can you grasp that concept? The cops probably are covering for that group of black kids, but only because because they dont want their county to turn into a racial warzone, not because they are letting them "get away with it". Look at the big picture.

[Muxy]

Lots of long posts here i didnt read.

Keep up the good work boys.

[potdragn]

What? "Pills" are regulated. Limbaugh was addicted to perscription drugs. The fact that they are perscription means that they are regulated. You're right that they should be regulated because of their nature, as should psychoactive drugs such as marijuana. Thanks for giving support to my argument.

i actually would like to point out here that alcohol is strictly forbidden by the bible, and koran, whereas all natural plants were given to us to use by God. Pills, while sometimes made of plant extracts, also contain several chemicals that seriously affect your health (Anyone want a Vioxx pill?). I believe in the regulating of synthetic chemicals, not natural ones. Of course,

Beyond that, the social mores of our time are not absolute law that has always been: obviously many native tribes use a variety of psychoactive substances in religious cermonies, you believe these should be controlled? should a rastafarian not be allowed to smoke his sacrament?

if anything, alcohol should be outlawed. but if it was, i wouldnt mind when a christian took communion...even if it is in direct contradiction lol

[DaNutsInYoEye]

i actually would like to point out here that alcohol is strictly forbidden by the bible

Ohh really? I didn't know you were a theologian too. But since you are I would suggest reading John 2:1-12. If you didn't already know i's the story of how Jesus turned water into wine. Perhaps it was non-alcoholic though. An early form of O'Douls if you will...

whereas all natural plants were given to us to use by God.

Wow, this has to be the first time I have heard anyone use religion as a justification for taking drugs. Like most of the other reasons, it's laughable as well.

I believe in the regulating of synthetic chemicals, not natural ones.

Any substance, natural or not, can kill you in excessive quantities.

should a rastafarian not be allowed to smoke his sacrament?

Should a satanist not be allowed to sacrifice someone? I can make such statements too, but they give little support to my argument.

So you are saying if Im against prejudice, I can never insult anyone? That makes no sense.

No, again I didn't say that. I was asking why you would want to insult someone though. I was also pointing out the hypocricy of doing so. Is prejudice not insulting to the person that is the target of it? Or is it not insulting because she is rich and white?

In case you didnt know, heroin, coke, weed, everything was legal in this country at one point

Slavery was legal in this country as well at one point. Statements such as these give absolutely no support to your argument.

Do all you conservative people go to the same debate class or something? When proven wrong, you just sidestep and make the argument about something else.

Oh really? Well don't forget that class starts at 8:00 am tommorow, because just took an argument for legalizing marijuana and tried to make into one of conservatism vs. liberalism. If you consider clarification of a point I made sidestepping the issue, then I guess I did.

Last I knew, "lazy" isnt a racial epithet

Who said "lazy" was a racial epithet? I know I didn't, so I don't know where you are coming up with that.

...especially when directed at a rich white woman.

Sorry, but when you make a point of qualifying someone by their race it makes it a racial remark. When people suggested poor, black people were lazy you thought it was racist then. Did you change your mind? Are you saying that because someone is rich and white it is acceptable to make such comments, but if a person is poor and a minority it is not? You speak of my arguments not having legs to stand on...

As far as controlled substances, like I mentioned, gambling is probably more destructive to families and communites (of bad gamblers anyway) than weed, but where is your argument about this?

I thought you wanted to stick to the subject? Make up your mind son. I thought we were debating weather marijuana should be legal. If you want to discuss wether gambling should be legal we can do it some other time.

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gabe - i'm not friends with him. I am friends with a girl named mary, she is very good friends with him. When i wrote that i was thinking she was the one walking with him but now i think i'm wrong. it was in my head because i saw her when tailgating for duke and she was talking about how he is physically going to be fine but psychologically he is having problems.


potdrgn, you are just so all over the place, its hard for me to organize anything to refute you.

First, you claim danutz had bad reading skills by saying you were a hippy, but you closely associate yourself with hippies, admit you smoke pot, your name is potdragn, then you act like its ridiculous to call you a hippie. come on. looks like a duck acts like a duck, you just weren't clear.

His point about paris hilton is that you are calling her a lazy slut based off of absolutely nothing. You are inferring totally on your own that she is a slut at clubs having sex with strangers, gets wasted all the time, etc. you made it up, correct? even if the enquirer says she does, don't you think that's a tiny bit biased? and, he wasn't saying she was donald trump or anything, but she is not necessarily lazy. in this case it was you who didn't like how he proved you wrong, so you changed the topic to republican debate tactics rather than retorting.
racism is based first and foremost off negative stereotyping. do you now see how you are a hypocrit, by calling her all these negative things, with no evidence that she actually does this, aside from your oh so easy stereotype?

As for racism is charlottesville. i'm not at all implying blacks get away with more than whites: they do. what happened in the 60's is irrelevant, just because whites got away with pulling shit in the past doesn't make it right to let the reverse happen now.

but, you know what your argument right here is so great.
"TO even imply that some black people are "sneaking on by" is absolutely ludicrous and does not stand to logical reasoning at all. Did you ever stop to think that if the local sherriff came out and said "well, we got blacks hunting whites now!" it would basically lead to a mass riot right there? can you grasp that concept? The cops probably are covering for that group of black kids, but only because because they dont want their county to turn into a racial warzone, not because they are letting them "get away with it". Look at the big picture."

Wow, this is brilliance, you are right. It is totally appropriate to make national scenes when racist notes are written to black people, but we MUST sweep the violent attacks of white people under the rug, we certainly wouldn't want racial tension to get out of hand, because this is the logical answer. When bad things are happening to black people its fine to shout it all across town, aka nobody is considering creating this ridiculous warzone you speak of, but doing the same about white people is not good for "the big picture." what are you talking about?

To go back and respond to why i still consider this minor, its because I feel the vast majority of the country will never have any major impact on their life due to racism. Sure, everyone will talk about it. I'm sure more or less every black person will be called a racial slur at some point in their life. But its not like we're on the brink of armegeddon, you're having trouble understanding this isn't the 50's and we're not about to light sticks on fire and herd the blacks on out of the university. Being called a racial slur once in your life is a MINOR problem. Most black people can go to school, get educated, go to college, get a job, be successful. Sure, everything isn't fair. Some black kids go to bad schools, are poor, and have a bad family life.

I think the story of my late father is appropriate here. He grew up in victoria, va, his dad was an alcoholic who worked on a railroad and his mom worked odd jobs in restaurants, etc. Surprisingly enough, even though he was dirt poor, he got into college (gasp) graduating from a pretty below average high school, went to virginia tech and paid largely his own way selling books across the south. He moved to northern va and got a nice paying job and bettered himself. So, let's see. Bad schools: check. Poor: check. Bad family environment: check. What is this bullshit about your original starting status determining where you end up, not how hard you work?

LASTLY, i don't really want to get into the drug thing, its just too much. But it always annoys me when i see someone draw a line between "chemicals" and "natural". THC is a chemical. Aspirin is a chemical. We also find both in nature. We also find "natural" alcohol if you didn't happen to know. We can find a whole ton of things in nature that we can make in a lab. vitamins for example. It doesn't matter how its made, it matters what it is. A lot of people seem to draw this imaginary line between "synthetic" and "natural", when you are making the exact same thing, the fact that it happens inside a plant vs. inside a lab is totally irrelevant. you fear what you don't understand: take some organic chemistry you will be enlightened.