tight is right?

[Aquinas]

Everyone here seems to b saying tight is right early on...In my experience this is false. I play mostly 215 and 109 sngs and do quite well playing loose aggressive. I'm itm about 35% and hit first more than 50% of the ones i make top 3 (i often have a big stack at this point). Am I missing something or just getting lucky? Does anyone else agree? My goal is to have about 1500 chips by the time we reach push fold...since then I can afford to call blindstealallins with decent hands...I will play hands like 57s and aj even early and will often gladly put someone allin if I think we both have junk. I still havent played all that many sngs on party...so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

[Zidane18]

playing ur way u need to know when to make lay downs

[nogenius]

This is probably more true at the higher levels that you play.

At my experience, in low-limits, playing more loose will introduce tremendous amounts of variance, as many players simply go crazy in the early stages.

[DavSimon]

Party SnG structure is very different than many other sites. There is inherent value in having or at least trying to acieve a larger stack early since the blinds increase very quickly. Although there have been many people that still employ a "tight is right" approach (very sucessfully) in Party SnGs. They essentially only play A-K, A-Q and PPs over 9 for the first few levels and have shown great success in the $200+15 SnGs there.

If a particular style of playing works for you stick with it, but I wouldnt necessarily go around saying another approach is "false" or "wrong" I think you would agree that there are too many ways to approach this game to say one way is the "correct" way.

[JeffreyGB]

I agree that there is definitely a mix of approaches that work. It's all about finding the one that fits your style. I think "tight is right" is the easiest game to play, but for me, mixing in some high potential hands in position does wonders. This may have something to do with a) having no qualms about letting go of a hand I'm questioning b) playing where the chip structure is a bit forgiving [1500 starting chips].

[gabe]

so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

playing more hands naturally increases variance in anything

[a500lbgorilla]

Everyone here seems to b saying tight is right early on...In my experience this is false. I play mostly 215 and 109 sngs and do quite well playing loose aggressive. I'm itm about 35% and hit first more than 50% of the ones i make top 3 (i often have a big stack at this point). Am I missing something or just getting lucky? Does anyone else agree? My goal is to have about 1500 chips by the time we reach push fold...since then I can afford to call blindstealallins with decent hands...I will play hands like 57s and aj even early and will often gladly put someone allin if I think we both have junk. I still havent played all that many sngs on party...so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

At 109s and 215s your push-botting on the bubble doesn't give you a big enough advantage over your competition (since most of them will be fluent in the ICM language as well) so you need to gain more chips in the early levels to give yourself a bigger edge with your stack later on. This is why tight is right doesn't apply at higher stakes like it does at the lower stakes.

-'rilla

[vqc]

Everyone here seems to b saying tight is right early on...In my experience this is false. I play mostly 215 and 109 sngs and do quite well playing loose aggressive. I'm itm about 35% and hit first more than 50% of the ones i make top 3 (i often have a big stack at this point). Am I missing something or just getting lucky? Does anyone else agree? My goal is to have about 1500 chips by the time we reach push fold...since then I can afford to call blindstealallins with decent hands...I will play hands like 57s and aj even early and will often gladly put someone allin if I think we both have junk. I still havent played all that many sngs on party...so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

At 109s and 215s your push-botting on the bubble doesn't give you a big enough advantage over your competition (since most of them will be fluent in the ICM language as well) so you need to gain more chips in the early levels to give yourself a bigger edge with your stack later on. This is why tight is right doesn't apply at higher stakes like it does at the lower stakes.

-'rilla

Ask aces how he plays at the 100s and the 200s.

[a500lbgorilla]

Everyone here seems to b saying tight is right early on...In my experience this is false. I play mostly 215 and 109 sngs and do quite well playing loose aggressive. I'm itm about 35% and hit first more than 50% of the ones i make top 3 (i often have a big stack at this point). Am I missing something or just getting lucky? Does anyone else agree? My goal is to have about 1500 chips by the time we reach push fold...since then I can afford to call blindstealallins with decent hands...I will play hands like 57s and aj even early and will often gladly put someone allin if I think we both have junk. I still havent played all that many sngs on party...so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

At 109s and 215s your push-botting on the bubble doesn't give you a big enough advantage over your competition (since most of them will be fluent in the ICM language as well) so you need to gain more chips in the early levels to give yourself a bigger edge with your stack later on. This is why tight is right doesn't apply at higher stakes like it does at the lower stakes.

-'rilla

Ask aces how he plays at the 100s and the 200s.

And tell aces how you play the 10s and 20s. Now note the differences. Most will occur post flop and at low blinds.

-'rilla

[Staple Gun]

There is definetly more than 1 way to get a big stack, as long as you can prove that your way works over long periods of time, stick with it.

[vqc]

Everyone here seems to b saying tight is right early on...In my experience this is false. I play mostly 215 and 109 sngs and do quite well playing loose aggressive. I'm itm about 35% and hit first more than 50% of the ones i make top 3 (i often have a big stack at this point). Am I missing something or just getting lucky? Does anyone else agree? My goal is to have about 1500 chips by the time we reach push fold...since then I can afford to call blindstealallins with decent hands...I will play hands like 57s and aj even early and will often gladly put someone allin if I think we both have junk. I still havent played all that many sngs on party...so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

At 109s and 215s your push-botting on the bubble doesn't give you a big enough advantage over your competition (since most of them will be fluent in the ICM language as well) so you need to gain more chips in the early levels to give yourself a bigger edge with your stack later on. This is why tight is right doesn't apply at higher stakes like it does at the lower stakes.

-'rilla

Ask aces how he plays at the 100s and the 200s.

And tell aces how you play the 10s and 20s. Now note the differences. Most will occur post flop and at low blinds.

-'rilla

preflop comes before post flop. right?
ask him what hands hes playing levels 1-3.
He plays better than I do post flop, fine, I kno that. But that has nothing to do with what I was trying to tell you before, when I told you to ask aces how to play in the early levels.

To the best of my knowledge aces still plays pretty damn tight in the early levels, and while he is able to maximize his EV playing tightly, better than I can, It nonetheless shows that playing tightly at the upper levels does not matter as long as you were able to maximize your post flop EV to the maximum.

[a500lbgorilla]

Everyone here seems to b saying tight is right early on...In my experience this is false. I play mostly 215 and 109 sngs and do quite well playing loose aggressive. I'm itm about 35% and hit first more than 50% of the ones i make top 3 (i often have a big stack at this point). Am I missing something or just getting lucky? Does anyone else agree? My goal is to have about 1500 chips by the time we reach push fold...since then I can afford to call blindstealallins with decent hands...I will play hands like 57s and aj even early and will often gladly put someone allin if I think we both have junk. I still havent played all that many sngs on party...so it could just b variance. Thoughts?

At 109s and 215s your push-botting on the bubble doesn't give you a big enough advantage over your competition (since most of them will be fluent in the ICM language as well) so you need to gain more chips in the early levels to give yourself a bigger edge with your stack later on. This is why tight is right doesn't apply at higher stakes like it does at the lower stakes.

-'rilla

Ask aces how he plays at the 100s and the 200s.

And tell aces how you play the 10s and 20s. Now note the differences. Most will occur post flop and at low blinds.

-'rilla

preflop comes before post flop. right?
ask him what hands hes playing levels 1-3.
He plays better than I do post flop, fine, I kno that. But that has nothing to do with what I was trying to tell you before, when I told you to ask aces how to play in the early levels.

To the best of my knowledge aces still plays pretty damn tight in the early levels, and while he is able to maximize his EV playing tightly, better than I can, It nonetheless shows that playing tightly at the upper levels does not matter as long as you were able to maximize your post flop EV to the maximum.

I already know what hands aces plays preflop. It's not more than I would at the 11s or 22s, but it's a little harder. Weak/tight works for lower sngs. He's just as tight but not nearly as weak. This is the difference I was trying to demonstrate. He cannot just piss away the first 3 levels of blinds like you and I do and have push/fold bubble play carry him to a positive ROI. He had to gain an edge early which coupled with his bubble play will make him monies. Aquinas plays looser to gain his early edge, but in both cases they higher stakes you play the more you have to do at early levels to try and gain an edge.

-'rilla

[vqc]

they higher stakes you play the more you have to do at early levels to try and gain an edge.

-'rilla

i agree.

[ilikeaces86]

Aquinas playing your way is +EV at higher stakes if you can do it well or you can just add more tables playing tight ass and have a lower ROI but higher hourly rate.

Safe Respect