suggestions with my kk

[loanhorse]

ble '13056638 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: MAKOTO (1440 in chips)
Seat 2: snakekilla88 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: italianskip (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: iMTHaDoCTA (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: tuffpants (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: lambchopdc (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Schafinator (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Fullsail (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: The Reaper 7 (1630 in chips)
italianskip: posts small blind 10
iMTHaDoCTA: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snakekilla88 [Kc Kh]
tuffpants: folds
lambchopdc: calls 20
Schafinator: calls 20
Fullsail: folds
The Reaper 7: folds
MAKOTO: folds
snakekilla88: raises 180 to 200
italianskip: calls 190
iMTHaDoCTA: folds
lambchopdc: folds
Schafinator: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8c 2c]
italianskip: bets 200
snakekilla88: calls 200
*** TURN *** [Ks 8c 2c] [Qh]
italianskip: bets 200
snakekilla88: raises 440 to 640
italianskip: calls 440
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8c 2c Qh] [As]
italianskip: bets 200
snakekilla88: raises 240 to 440
italianskip: calls 200 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
snakekilla88: shows [Kc Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
italianskip: shows [Jh Tc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
italianskip collected 2940 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2940 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 8c 2c Qh As]
Seat 1: MAKOTO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: snakekilla88 (button) showed [Kc Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: italianskip (small blind) showed [Jh Tc] and won (2940) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: iMTHaDoCTA (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: tuffpants folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lambchopdc folded before Flop
Seat 7: Schafinator folded before Flop
Seat 8: Fullsail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: The Reaper 7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Jeebus Kliest]

You want to get rid of the results...if you want real answers.

If I was you I probably would have played it the same...only thing I would be truly worried about is him drawing to the flush but its a hand he shouldnt' have been playing as far as I am concerned.

[Aplomado]

No suggestions, I think you played it fine. This is just a bad beat. I do think you should've taken him all-in on the turn, but this guy probably would've called you anyway and that's what you want. What kind of moron calls such a big preflop bet with JTo, and then calls another big bet after the flop with no pair, no draw and an overcard on the board? He's an idiot.

Must be a $5+.50, which is why I refuse to play there anymore.

[a500lbgorilla]

Played it perfectly.

-'rilla

[JeffreyGB]

You played it fine. The only thing I might think could be an improvement would be playing it a tad more aggressive (don't be too scared to get your money in just because you have a killer hand). You did end up getting all your money in though, and being called, so that worked out well enough.

Don't think that because you had bad results you made a bad play. The play was good.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I do think you should've taken him all-in on the turn, but this guy probably would've called you anyway and that's what you want.

[taipan168]

Must be a $5+.50, which is why I refuse to play there anymore.

Don't you want to play against bad players? Over the long run you'll be well ahead despite the occasional bad beat (such as this).

[Aplomado]

Must be a $5+.50, which is why I refuse to play there anymore.

Don't you want to play against bad players? Over the long run you'll be well ahead despite the occasional bad beat (such as this).

They're brutally unpredictable. I'd rather play people I can read so I don't lose all my money with KK when some moron catches two low pairs.

[loanhorse]

Must be a $5+.50, which is why I refuse to play there anymore.

nope
30 dollar sng satellite.

- rilla

[taipan168]

They're brutally unpredictable. I'd rather play people I can read so I don't lose all my money with KK when some moron catches two low pairs.

I'm not sure that I understand. Say hero in this thread had pushed all-in before the flop and villain had called (which given villain's subsequent actions, I wouldn't be surprised if he did), he would be about 85% to win the hand against the villain's JTo. Wouldn't you want to get all your money in with these odds? Sure, you'll lose 15% of the time but this has to be massively +EV over the long run.

Even on the turn in this example, hero was 80% to win the hand (I agree with the other posters that he should have pushed AI here).

I agree that playing with players like this increases your variance but over the long run you'll liquify them.

Apologies in advance, I suspect this has been discussed many times previously.

[Aplomado]

Well I agree in that scenario, I don't mind going all in with a pocket pair vs. two undercards against these idiots. What I'm talking about is when they do make a hand, it's practically undetectable. You don't know if they've simply flopped a pair or something much better. SNGs at that level somestimes seem like a crapshoot no-fold-em free-for-all game. I'd rather play at 10s or 20s where their betting is just as obvious, but their hands are more predictable. Just seems safer to me.

When four people call my big pre-flop bet when I have Aces, chances are I'm getting cracked no matter what they have.

In the words of Phil Hellmuth, "it's a f***ing minefield"

[gabe]

Played it perfectly.

-'rilla

are you joking? there are two clubs on the flop. no way i let him set his own price with two clubs out there. flushes still beat sets!

i raise the flop, even if its a little bit.

[taipan168]

What I'm talking about is when they do make a hand, it's practically undetectable. You don't know if they've simply flopped a pair or something much better.

That's why a friend of mine who plays at the $50/$100 level likes to limp in (and even call small raises) in the first 2-3 levels with crap to see if he can flop at least two pair. Say somebody in MP limps with AJo, he's holding 97o on the button, flop comes A97 or AT8, he's undetectable. In the second scenario if the J comes on the turn or river, his opponent will likely lose all his chips. Although the chance of flopping two pair is only 2.2%, in his view the implied odds of taking the guy with AJ's whole stack outweighs the poor odds.

I personally don't understand this style of play, and I think it's been discussed in a separate thread, but it seems to work for him.

[loanhorse]

level somestimes seem like a crapshoot no-fold-em free-for-all game. I'd rather play at 10s or 20s where their betting is just as obvious, but their hands are more predictable. Just seems safer to me.

dont know if your reffering to this hand. But its a 30 dollar SNg satellite for second time

[Aplomado]

level somestimes seem like a crapshoot no-fold-em free-for-all game. I'd rather play at 10s or 20s where their betting is just as obvious, but their hands are more predictable. Just seems safer to me.

dont know if your reffering to this hand. But its a 30 dollar SNg satellite for second time

No I was just answering why I don't like to play $5+.50

I can't believe he's playing like that with a $30 buy-in

[lolzzz_321]

fold preflop

[loanhorse]

I actually might agree with triptanes. Maybe fold preflop next time

[lolzzz_321]

You know this is a bad beat Chris, if you want sympathy you can talk to me on AIM or hit up the cell, 281 330 8804.

[drmcboy]

are you joking? there are two clubs on the flop. no way i let him set his own price with two clubs out there. flushes still beat sets!

i raise the flop, even if its a little bit.

Gabe, quit stealing my thoughts.

If he doesn't have a hand, he's not likely to lead into you again after you raise pre flop, then smooth call the flop. He probably wouldn't have led here if he hadn't picked up the draw on the turn. If he's got AK/KQ and he's played it this way so far, you're getting all his money if you raise. If he's got an underpair to the K, this 200 was his last stab.