A Laydown

No reads, the only hand I think I can beat here is AJ, but surely AJ isn't raising 6xBB preflop? So I thought every possible holding had me beat. What do you think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t2440)
Hero (t1470)
CO (t1190)
Button (t1280)
SB (t1840)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1190)
MP1 (t1090)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, Hero calls t120, 4 folds.

Flop: (t510) K, 9, A (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t300, UTG+1 raises to t600, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1410

Results in white below:
No showdown. UTG+1 wins t1410.

[Bmxicle]

looks fine, my only question about your play is if you beleive someone wouldn't raise 6x bb w/ AJ then why are you calling w/ AQ preflop?

[Zidane18]

[quote="dwarfman"]No reads, the only hand I think I can beat here is AJ, but surely AJ isn't raising 6xBB preflop? So I thought every possible holding had me beat. What do you think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t2440)
Hero (t1470)
CO (t1190)
Button (t1280)
SB (t1840)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1190)
MP1 (t1090)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, Hero calls t120, 4 folds.

Flop: (t510) K, 9, A (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t300, UTG+1 raises to t600, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1410

Results in white below:
No showdown. UTG+1 wins t1410. [/MMMquote]

Hmmm, maybe i am too passive but i dont call raises from early position with ace queen early in a tourny.

he is raising from early position!!

conclusion: good flod. poor call on pre flop

i think u need to change ur pre flop stratergy. just ask if u want mine

[Gareth]

he might have a PP and with all those calls it would be correct of him to think someone had an Ace - so instead of betting straight out and getting called or raised by the person with the Ace he decided a check/raise to make his hand look very strong, and get a weak ace to fold.

what was the buyin?

[ekillian]

he might have a PP and with all those calls it would be correct of him to think someone had an Ace - so instead of betting straight out and getting called or raised by the person with the Ace he decided a check/raise to make his hand look very strong, and get a weak ace to fold.

what was the buyin?

That's best case scenario bud. It's the difference between a read and a wet dream.

If you're going to fold your hand when you hit post-flop, don't play it pre-flop in the first place. I would say it's a very set-like play to raise the minimum, but I don't like how this hand was played at all. Remember the gap concept? AJ is a raising hand, but not a calling hand. If the opponent is at all reasonably tight the gap extends to AQ as well. Against a maniac you reraise, against a tight player you fold.

[drawman]

I would have played it the same. I believe the guy has one of two hands (AK or 99). 99 is more likely I think, especially the 6*bb raise.
Sometimes I find people raise big with hands like 99 to eliminate the ax,kx hands.

[TanO]

fold preflop unless you've got reads on the guy and can outplay him post flop

[gabe]

fold preflop unless you've got reads on the guy and can outplay him post flop

isn't that what he did? he might not have outplayed the guy but he avoided getting outplayed.

[Gareth]

ekillian - "That's best case scenario bud. It's the difference between a read and a wet dream."

Totally agree with you - just adding another thought that hadn't been brought up.

What ever the person had he has played this hand strangely with three caller's and a flush draw on the board.

[chardrian]

I don't mind the fold there - but I don't think a call was so bad either. Bunch of hands you are beating, quite a few you are losing to tho as well.

[TanO]

TanO wrote:
fold preflop unless you've got reads on the guy and can outplay him post flop

isn't that what he did? he might not have outplayed the guy but he avoided getting outplayed

Well, yes and no, ok he's read that he's beat on that flop, but tbh its a reasonable flop for AQ, so if you're folding there you should be able to say you're beat preflop and just drop it. Otherwise you're just calling to hit a Q high flop. That was my thinking anyway, I hate AQ anyway, just a little less than I hate KQ...

[Trikflow77]

I think its played pretty weak...why even call here if you are going to get played like a drum on the flop. What are you hoping for, him to have AK and whiff so you can steal? I dont really get it. That being said i reraise of fold this hand preflop, I hate flat calling with AQ in a mulit way pot.

[baudib]

I think this is likely a KK hand, with villain holding the K of hearts, thereby making a high-flush draw unlikely.

[bencathers]

I think its played pretty weak...why even call here if you are going to get played like a drum on the flop. What are you hoping for, him to have AK and whiff so you can steal? I dont really get it. That being said i reraise of fold this hand preflop, I hate flat calling with AQ in a mulit way pot.

I agree. Especially with the check min-raise of your bet I have no idea how you can fold - what other type of flop could you of wanted with AQ?? If you play AQ, flop an ace and fold to a min bet check raise, then why play AQ at all?

[baudib]

With this type of preflop-raise with AQ, you'd like to see a flop without a K, even if an A falls. With no K this is a definite call.

[Muxy]

I think its played pretty weak...why even call here if you are going to get played like a drum on the flop. What are you hoping for, him to have AK and whiff so you can steal? I dont really get it. That being said i reraise of fold this hand preflop, I hate flat calling with AQ in a mulit way pot.

I am kind of with you on this one Trik.

I think its played pretty weak...why even call here if you are going to get played like a drum on the flop. What are you hoping for, him to have AK and whiff so you can steal? I dont really get it. That being said i reraise of fold this hand preflop, I hate flat calling with AQ in a mulit way pot.

Agreed. Thanks FTR, good discussion.

[baudib]

I guess I'm the only person who thinks it was played well.

Even if I know someone has KK, getting 3-1 odds here I'm calling with AQ.

With no one showing interest in this flop, taking a stab at it here is perfectly justified. The fold is correct -- any hand waiting for an ace to bet at it is way ahead here.

[Hogimacaca]

what about checking on the flop. let him bet the turn and from that see where u are at.

am i too cautious?