I'm always on the wrong side of these for some reason

[r8ed]

The one positive is I didn't lose more off this hand. Do I fold these ever if they don't push it harder?

***** Hand History for Game 2799008707 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 30, 00:16:43 EDT 2005
Table Table 37418 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: janje ( $61.87 )
Seat 6: Mr_Halo ( $32.95 )
Seat 2: Phrynosoma ( $9.70 )
Seat 9: maru929 ( $25.80 )
Seat 7: Eyeofthelion ( $24.60 )
Seat 3: jonnykarter ( $2.79 )
Seat 4: jimbob211 ( $23.95 )
Seat 1: SmellyJesus ( $23.90 )
Seat 8: pokketjokers ( $45.44 )
jimbob211 posts small blind [$0.10].
janje posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to janje [ 3c 2h ]
Mr_Halo calls [$0.25].
Eyeofthelion folds.
pokketjokers folds.
maru929 folds.
SmellyJesus folds.
Phrynosoma folds.
jonnykarter folds.
>You have options at Table 37145 Table!.
jimbob211 calls [$0.15].
janje checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 3s, 3h ]
jimbob211 bets [$0.25].
janje calls [$0.25].
Mr_Halo folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
jimbob211 checks.
janje bets [$1].
jimbob211 raises [$2].
>You have options at Table 37145 Table!.
janje calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
jimbob211 bets [$5].
janje calls [$5].
jimbob211 shows [ 8h, 9d ] a full house, Eights full of threes.
janje doesn't show [ 3c, 2h ] a full house, Threes full of eights.
jimbob211 wins $14.50 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of threes.

[edudlive]

The one positive is I didn't lose more off this hand. Do I fold these ever if they don't push it harder?

***** Hand History for Game 2799008707 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 30, 00:16:43 EDT 2005
Table Table 37418 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: janje ( $61.87 )
Seat 6: Mr_Halo ( $32.95 )
Seat 2: Phrynosoma ( $9.70 )
Seat 9: maru929 ( $25.80 )
Seat 7: Eyeofthelion ( $24.60 )
Seat 3: jonnykarter ( $2.79 )
Seat 4: jimbob211 ( $23.95 )
Seat 1: SmellyJesus ( $23.90 )
Seat 8: pokketjokers ( $45.44 )
jimbob211 posts small blind [$0.10].
janje posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to janje [ 3c 2h ]
Mr_Halo calls [$0.25].
Eyeofthelion folds.
pokketjokers folds.
maru929 folds.
SmellyJesus folds.
Phrynosoma folds.
jonnykarter folds.
>You have options at Table 37145 Table!.
jimbob211 calls [$0.15].
janje checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 3s, 3h ]
jimbob211 bets [$0.25].
janje calls [$0.25].
Mr_Halo folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
jimbob211 checks.
janje bets [$1].
jimbob211 raises [$2].
>You have options at Table 37145 Table!.
janje calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
jimbob211 bets [$5].
janje calls [$5].
jimbob211 shows [ 8h, 9d ] a full house, Eights full of threes.
janje doesn't show [ 3c, 2h ] a full house, Threes full of eights.
jimbob211 wins $14.50 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of threes.

janje calls [$0.25].

raise!

[r8ed]

janje calls [$0.25].

raise!

That gave me a laugh. You forgot the word "pansy". You are probably right. I wanted to feign weakness so I could get more money later. He's calling a raise anyway here. I was going to reraise the turn, but held off fearing he had the 8. He made a perfect river bet. He played me perfectly.

[edudlive]

janje calls [$0.25].

raise!

That gave me a laugh. You forgot the word "pansy". You are probably right. I wanted to feign weakness so I could get more money later. He's calling a raise anyway here. I was going to reraise the turn, but held off fearing he had the 8. He made a perfect river bet. He played me perfectly.

While you're right, he probably wouldn't fold, its probably still best to raise anyway because he's not usually going to catch his 2nd 8

[J_Tizzle23]

Raise your blind preflop instead of letting SB limp in...that would have kept you out of that position altogether

[r8ed]

Raise your blind preflop instead of letting SB limp in...that would have kept you out of that position altogether

Raise the BB when I have 23o in a ring game? I don't think so.

[edudlive]

A good question to ask I guess is, what would be calling/betting with that I beat.

What would he have called with you on the flop and raised you when a 2nd 8 hit? My first thought would have been "fuck" and folded without a strong read.

In this case, unless you think he'd make this move with Ax (x not being 3 or 8) or a pocket pair, you're losing...you only beat a total bluff really

[PokerPatNEU]

I play it the same on the flop, but once the 8 comes on the turn and he raises i'm pretty much out of there. Raising the flop is OK but people tend to believe you are holding a 3 when you got to see the flop in a limped pot without VP$IP, and therefore they fold out if they are just holding an 8. Anyone with an over pair or an 8 is drawing to 2 outs to make a boat better than your trips. No need to let them off the hand easily. I like a smooth call there in position, then raise the turn when a blank falls. If another 8 falls you just have to be ready to let it go. I'm definitely folding to that river bet, its like 1/2 the pot. Definitely a value bet with an 8.


Raising pre flop to keep the SB from limping is dumb. Why put money in the pot when you know you have the worst hand? Unless I had a strong read of tight and i knew i could buy the pot easily in position, i will never raise 23o in the BB with 1 limper and a SB completing...It's just wasting $$.