MP 20+2. I suck at poker.

[vqc]

***** Hand History for Game 2809628624 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16248769) - Sat Oct 01 22:45:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 13944 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bobo100 (785)
Seat 2: Howie_Dewitt (785)
Seat 3: WPT_FlyBoy (700)
Seat 4: POOLSCOM (700)
Seat 5: bhfei (1070)
Seat 6: nicuyem1010 (845)
Seat 7: BassTraker69 (685)
Seat 8: grailseeker (920)
Seat 9: IGrindHer (785)
Seat 10: idigahole (725)
IGrindHer posts small blind (10)
idigahole posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to IGrindHer [ 5h, 9s ]
bobo100 calls (15)
Howie_Dewitt folds.
WPT_FlyBoy calls (15)
POOLSCOM calls (15)
bhfei folds.
nicuyem1010 calls (15)
BassTraker69 calls (15)
grailseeker folds.
IGrindHer calls (5)
idigahole checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 9h, 8c ]
IGrindHer checks.
idigahole checks.
bobo100 bets (25)
WPT_FlyBoy folds.
POOLSCOM calls (25)
nicuyem1010 calls (25)
BassTraker69 calls (25)
IGrindHer raises (125) to 125
idigahole folds.
bobo100 calls (100)
POOLSCOM folds.
nicuyem1010 folds.
BassTraker69 calls (100)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
IGrindHer checks.
bobo100 checks.
BassTraker69 bets (175)
IGrindHer folds.

Good god, I felt so lost this hand. Any pointers?

[Fnord]

Well played.

[Gareth]

like the check/raise here - would probally have bet more though - pot size hope to take it there - but giving bad odds if someone is chasing.

sh1te/scary turn card - would usually bet here after raising on the flop but looking at your stack size check/folding is probally the better play.

no point in risking your tourny with a 95os you would have folded preflop if anyone had raised.

[Pingviini]

Finally you play a hand well and then you start whining how you suck at poker

[gabe]

i bet out the pot, but the way you played it, i would have raised to alot more then check folded that turn.

[vqc]

why was check raising the flop the right play?
My thoughts were:
This is a huge family pot and 2 pair most likely isnt the best hand here.
If i bet out the pot I am going to get some monster flat calling me or some draw flat calling me and I might not be able to differentiate between the two.

If I check, I can see all the action in front of me, all ins and the like in front of me woudl tell me that im out of the hand, and a weak bet + calls can let me check raise to:
1) take down the pot immediately with a huge sign of strength
2) Have someone with a set or a straight play it hardand push all in over me showing me again that Im beat.
So in this situation I believe that check raising gives me the best chance of taking down the pot, and if not taking down the pot gives me MORE information than open betting.

Is my reasoning correct?

[gabe]

i dont think check raising is a problem (but it is safer to bet out), but why not raise more?

[vqc]

i dont think check raising is a problem (but it is safer to bet out), but why not raise more?

bad bet I guess, I just didnt want to risk too many chips but still accomplish the same thing.

If a player pushes this flop, Im folding right?

[rubixstreub]

i dont think check raising is a problem (but it is safer to bet out), but why not raise more?

bad bet I guess, I just didnt want to risk too many chips but still accomplish the same thing.

If a player pushes this flop, Im folding right?

Maybe the 20's are different, but I thought two pair is always worth an all in call on this kind of flop- sombody anxious with overcards or a slowplayed premium pair.

[vqc]

this isa huge multiway pot. If I raise and someone pushes over me, I dont want to lose my balls over an unraised pot with only 2 pair and sooo many people playing. Flopped straights, and sets are possible here. Hell even a better two pair is possible.

[jmontis]

good play, i'd wait for a blank on the turn before committing any chips. If an ace or a 2 fell, I'd have no problem going all-in, if they flopped a set or a straight, they are gonna show me it.

[vqc]

with an ace on the turn ur not going to think someone hit TPTK on the flop, and then now has 2 pair?

[Wet_DreaMer]

Checkraise all in on the flop.

[vqc]

are u serious?
with so many players in?

I dont kno if this is the right play.

[TLR]

the check raise is good, but you should raise much more , raising less then half the pot with so many players in the pot with so many draws on the board does not make sense. I think there is a good chance your hand is the best and the pot is nice enough to take it right there.

If you are not willing to take the risk with the two pair there is no reason for you to complete the small blind.

[vqc]

the check raise is good, but you should raise much more , raising less then half the pot with so many players in the pot with so many draws on the board does not make sense. I think there is a good chance your hand is the best and the pot is nice enough to take it right there.

If you are not willing to take the risk with the two pair there is no reason for you to complete the small blind.

a 958 board is much different from a 952 board. This has nothing to do with whether or not Im willing to take a risk with 2 pair, but rather how much risk I am willing to take.

I am learning that my check raise bet was too small, It will be bigger next time.

[TLR]

VQ wrote:

a 958 board is much different from a 952 board. This has nothing to do with whether or not Im willing to take a risk with 2 pair, but rather how much risk I am willing to take.

Yes, it is different, but not by that much.
The hands that beat you on a 985 board are:
99, 88, 55, 67, 98
The hands that beat you on 952 board are:
99, 55, 22

I agree that in a multiway pot 67 and 98 are a definite possibility. but I would take the risk.

Frankly on a board with so much draws (str8 and flush) I do not expect anybody to slowplay, not even a set of 9's.

I would expect anybody that has you beat to bet and make the drawing hands pay, once you checked and everybody called the minbet I would take my chance here

[Demiparadigm]

I checkraise the pot and check fold the turn

[Pingviini]

I checkraise the pot and check fold the turn

[thnwkd]

I'm probably not as experienced as most but here is my 2 cents:

with this flop i gambool here that my hand is best right now and chk raise AI or fold. anything else is weak and a waste of chips.

aside from flopping the full house or trips, isn't this flop what ur looking for with 95o?

[dalecooper]

I prefer a bigger CR... make it 200 to go and if you get any callers (and that same turn card), let it go. The idea is good but the bet is weak enough that you're going to get some action from god-knows-what hands. If you make it 200 and get even one call, that player is either a horrible, horrible fish... or has a hand better than yours already.

[vqc]

I prefer a bigger CR... make it 200 to go and if you get any callers (and that same turn card), let it go. The idea is good but the bet is weak enough that you're going to get some action from god-knows-what hands. If you make it 200 and get even one call, that player is either a horrible, horrible fish... or has a hand better than yours already.

Great Help guys.
THANK U!
I was so close!!!!!!!!

[Pingviini]

with this flop i gambool here that my hand is best right now and chk raise AI or fold. anything else is weak and a waste of chips.

aside from flopping the full house or trips, isn't this flop what ur looking for with 95o?

Your hands dont exist in a vacuum. No need to lose 785 chips for 200 chips. if somebody re-raises you I have to think I am beat most of the time. Althought I see alarmingly many players _calling_ AI's with draws when they really dont have to. That is so scary, especially in MTT's..